Today's Issues continues on AFR
Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. I'm Tim with Wesley Wildmon. Ray Pritchard, raised in Kansas City. We're in Tupelo, Mississippi, and, Steve Paisley Jordan joins us in studio now.
>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: Good morning, brother Steve. How you doing, man?
>> Steve Jordahl: it's a busy day. I'm m doing well, thank you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Busy day in the news department. What's the number one story out there?
>> Steve Jordahl: I wanted to clean some stuff up from. Clean up. I wanted to finish or talk about some stuff that's following the Charlie, Kirk Memorial. if I can.
>> Tim Wildmon: Go ahead.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, no, actually, let me start here. Just a prayer request I'd like to put out there. I just saw this on Christian Post. There is an, author and theologian that many of you may have heard of. His name is Christopher Yuan. he used to be gay. He came to know the Lord. He changed his life, and now he's a theologian. I think, he teaches maybe at Western. I'm not sure. Or Moody. He's a professor at Moody. he had an accident, the other day and had a fall at his house. And at the time of his tweet, he could not move his legs. it was a pretty bad fall. He was in the hospital. so I'd like to just. I don't know. Ray, do you know who Christopher Yuan is?
>> Tim Wildmon: Absolutely. Friend of mine on Facebook. Ah, tremendous man, tremendous testimony. Wrote a book called Holy Sexuality.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: defending and explaining from his point of view as a formerly gay man and now a committed follower of Jesus. What it means, what sexuality and holiness mean when they come together. Great man. And I now think desperately in need of our prayers.
>> Steve Jordahl: Have you seen the post from this?
>> Tim Wildmon: yes, I did. I saw it. I think he's maybe going into surgery sometime today.
>> Steve Jordahl: something about, something fell on.
>> Tim Wildmon: His chest, like he was some kind of sound, like a weightlifting kind of exercise apparatus.
>> Steve Jordahl: Ah, Yeah, I think that's what it was. Anyway, prayer for Christian for you on out there, if God, leads you.
Rob McCoy was profoundly moved by Erica Kirk's speech at Charlie Kirk memorial
So, I came across a, tweet on my Twitter feed. I thought I read it to you guys this morning. It moved me, and I thought, I'd like to read it. This is in the follow up to the Charlie Kirk Memorial. And, of course, millions of people around the world watched the memorial, and there was a lady named, Sana Ebrahimi. who. She's Muslim, she says, I don't know that she's any. She's just someone who watched and tweeted this out, she says. I listened to Erica Kirk's full speech at the memorial, and I want to share a few thoughts that came to me while live streaming the event. This is not political. She's not trying to be political. First, I should say that I grew up as a Muslim in a Muslim country. I don't know enough about Christianity to say if what I witnessed is rooted in faith or culture. Hint, it's faith. But what struck me most was how, even though death is heavy and this was by nature a sad occasion, the entire event carried a celebratory spirit that honored life. That contrast hit me deeply. In Islam, even though we believe that good people go to heaven, the relationship with God is taught through fear. Funerals are overwhelmingly sad, often filled with warnings of the terrifying first night in the grave. Growing up, hearing that and then witnessing people celebrate, life, speak of God's love and remembering someone, through the impact he had on others, it felt so refreshing, so positive. Secondly, I was profoundly moved by Miss, Erica Kirk's words. I cannot fathom the strength it takes to stand and deliver such a meaningful speech after losing the love of your life. But even more than that, the grace it takes to forgive the very person who destroyed your world. I cannot imagine myself standing on a stage sending love to those who cheered your husband's murder or inviting others to spread God's love in response to. Because, as she said, quote, we do not respond to hate with hate that is powerful beyond words. Again, I'm ignorant when it comes to Christianity, but if this is what it truly embodies, then I am envious of those who get to experience that feeling.
>> Tim Wildmon: Who are you quoting against, Steve?
>> Steve Jordahl: This is a lady. Her name is Sana, Ibrahimi. And she's nobody.
>> Tim Wildmon: So she's a Muslim. And she's looking at. She watched the Charlie Kirk memorial. And. And she's right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: She's specifically the. The portion of Erica's speech.
>> Steve Jordahl: She probably watched the whole thing.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, probably.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: But. But, Right. She's the, That's a Muslim woman observing the difference between a Christian funeral service and a Muslim funeral service.
>> Tim Wildmon: Somewhere during the service, someone said, we do not grieve like the world grieves. We sorrow, but not as those who have no hope. And I thought hope was the overriding message. Deep hope. Hope in Jesus Christ, hope in the resurrection. hope because death for the believer is not the end, but it's the beginning of a life together with the Lord Jesus forever. And, you know, Steve, I have, I've just been scrolling along Facebook, and I have run into a number of people just like this woman who I ran into one woman whose name escapes me right now, but she said, I'm not a Christian, but I'm very curious and I'm very interested because of what I saw on Sunday. And I believe they're going to be thousands and thousands of people who maybe today have not yet come to Christ, but in the days to come, the Holy Spirit is going to draw them because of what they saw in. At Charlie Kirk's funeral service.
>> Steve Jordahl: Ray, you and I talked yesterday, off the air, about a story that's running today. the, first pastor, Rob McCoy, gave an invitation, and, several people around the auditorium apparently stood up. They didn't show camera, but I'm assuming thousands of people stood up. And, Ray, you and I had a conversation yesterday, because, Erica Kirk said, water the seeds of the newly, found faith. Shepherd these people. If you're a Christian, you need to shepherd these people.
What is the responsibility of a Christian when they meet a new Christian
And my question to you yesterday, and I just love if you can spend a minute and a half here, kind of rehearsing what we talked about is what is the responsibility of a Christian when they meet a new Christian, or if they know someone that has accepted Christ?
>> Tim Wildmon: Let's suppose that you were there at that service and somebody near you stood up. Family member, friend, loved one, somebody who came with you. I think Erica was exactly right. These are. If you think of the image of a plant, this is new life. This is new life in a person's heart created by God. So what is our obligation? To love them, to encourage them, to stand by them. The one thing we must not do is, is leave them alone. Come alongside, read the Bible with them. Look, it's one thing to say to a new Christian. You need to read the Bible. Well, they don't know. They don't know where to begin. So you sit down with them, you open up to the Gospel of John, or you read the 23rd Psalm, or you read, something from. Maybe read First Corinthians 13 with them. It almost doesn't matter. One of the greatest things, Steve, we can do for new believers is, is teach them to love the word of God by reading it with them and then by praying with them. And I think third, and this is where you got to get to find, a community of believers. Gospel preaching, Bible believing, Jesus loving church filled with the Holy Spirit. Because there's nothing better for a new Christian than to be in the hot house atmosphere with brothers and sisters who know Jesus and love him and, and are worshiping him together. There's so much more we can do, but let's start there. Let's read the Bible with them, let's pray with them, and let's get them to a place where we together can see the joy of the Lord unleashed in their hearts as they worship in the power of the Holy Spirit. And those new Christians will begin to grow.
>> Tim Wildmon: I would be curious to know the numbers, I don't know that we ever can though, of people who watched at least part of the Charlie Kirk Memorial on Sunday afternoon. Again, it was in Phoenix, Arizona and it was held at the big football stadium.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Probably get some raw numbers. I think when you, when you get into asking that, you've got multiple different platforms now. You got social media, Instagram, things like that. But we could probably get some raw numbers.
>> Tim Wildmon: It went around the world.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: But I, know that somebody text me yesterday and said that CNN did carry it. I didn't know.
>> Wesley Wildmon: There's streaming network, I think. I don't think.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, that's where I watched it actually. CNN 247 or whatever it's called.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, what about on the TV station?
>> Steve Jordahl: No, in fact, I don't know if this is the whole thing, but I started watching on Fox and the commentators would come in between everything, so I ended up watching it on C Span at least here. but, okay, CNN plus did.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so I didn't watch everything. I intended last night to go back and watch another couple of the talk. I wanted to go back and watch Vance.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Ben Carson was there.
>> Tim Wildmon: I did see Ben Carson. I did see Ben Carson, but, I saw enough. Ray. I want to know that, that there were several of the speakers who gave a clear.
>> Wesley Wildmon: This is worth, this is worth interrupting me. This is worth.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, but just remember, I don't ever interrupt anybod. So I mean, I would say never happened. So. But if you want to interrupt me, Wesley, let's see what, what you got.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, I've read it three times and then I read it a four time. Charlie Kirk's Memorial. This is New York Post.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Charlie Kurtz memorial drew around 20 million cable TV and online viewers. And if you separate and you just do online viewers such as YouTube and X, that was around 7.4, seven and a half million, I believe it Yeah, I believe it because he found that.
>> Tim Wildmon: For us, it was the news story of the day. And, everybody heard about it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: back to your point.
>> Tim Wildmon: But. Yeah, back to my point about. There was several of the speakers who gave a clear message about God and Jesus Christ and, so the gospel message, as we call it in Christian speak. Marco Rubio did. I heard him. Frank Turek, our own friend and colleague. Frank Turek, who hopefully be on with us tomorrow or Thursday. We'll see. Because Frank, we played it yesterday. Frank was in the car. Frank was with Charlie Kirk, in Salt Lake. I mean, excuse me, at, at the Utah University where Charlie Kirk was assassinated at Charlie's invitation because he wanted Frank to go with him. Frank was tossing out caps with Charlie before the, speech, before Charlie sat down. And then we know what happened after that. But Frank and Pete Hexith did to the Secretary of War. They don't call it Secretary of Defense anymore. It's a Secretary of War. It's the War Department. Right. I think they changed it.
>> Steve Jordahl: I think Congress has to actually, change.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, whichever one you call it. He's the Secretary of Defense. Secretary of War. And Ben Carson. 2. I heard him talk Ben Carson. so now. And I heard Erica Kirk.
>> Tim Wildmon: and so I'm just saying, I want to go back and watch Vance.
President Trump spoke at Charlie's memorial service, and I thought he did fine
Did you see Vance Ray?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did. And I thought he did a really fine job. I mean, the part about JD That I really liked. He said, I've talked about my faith in Jesus Christ more in the last 10 days than in the whole rest of my life, which I think I can abs. I'm sure that's true.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. He said. I'm sorry, I, didn't mean to interrupt you since we're interrupting. Go right ahead. He said, I generally don't talk about my faith. It's a private thing. He's Catholic, I believe. But I have talked. this is the occasion if I'm ever going to do it. This is the.
>> Tim Wildmon: So is Marco Rubio's Catholic, and he's just preaching like Billy Graham up there. It's pretty amazing.
>> Steve Jordahl: I listen to Ben Shapiro's broadcast. Ben is Jewish. He's an Orthodox Jew. And he will say often on his podcast. I've heard him say it several times. I'm a Jew. I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in what Christians believe about Jesus. But if Christians are going to bring people to church, it's going to make our country Better. So he's all in favor of Christians because there's a lot of them in this country going to church. But he played Marco Rubio on his podcast.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wow.
>> Steve Jordahl: So the gospel went over.
>> Tim Wildmon: A Jewish podcast. Jewish guys podcast about a Jew from 2,000 years ago.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, it was, you know, I know there was some stuff on there that, you had, a four to six hour memorial. Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: Very long.
>> Tim Wildmon: There was some stuff on there. You know, you're not going to agree with everything everybody says when you have one speaker after another or the style in which they do it. I didn't care for the fireworks, you know, going off. And I think President Trump, God bless him, you know, he just, he. He doesn't fit in that kind of environment. He's focused on the days. Events of politics, and so it's hard for him to. You know what I'm saying? We know that's not his wheelhouse. Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: so, but, but, but.
>> Tim Wildmon: He, but you know, he was clear about Charlie's Christian faith.
>> Tim Wildmon: He was. And to his credit, he sat there, right. The President, United States, sat at somebody's memorial service for four hours, I think. So give him credit for that, for being there. And, also, President Trump has a very friendly relationship with the evangelical and the conservative Catholic, movement in America.
>> Steve Jordahl: He and Charlie were good friends. Charlie would call him. He said, Charlie would call me and ask me to come out in 24 hours notice. And he said, charlie, I'm the President of the United States. I don't do a good job.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Sure.
>> Steve Jordahl: I've got better things. As often I would just drop everything and do it.
>> Tim Wildmon: M. So anyway, I was, reflect.
20 million people have watched this since then, Wesley says
I wanted to know, you said, how many people said. Have watched this?
>> Steve Jordahl: 20 million.
>> Wesley Wildmon: 20 million. Now that's like I said, that's combining everything.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah. Social media and the television.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. I don't know why I say that. Like, it changes the impact. 20 million is 20 million.
>> Tim Wildmon: We used to not have the Internet. The Internet, it was just been television only. But, anyway, well.
>> Tim Wildmon: And there's no way, there's no way, Wesley, to know how many more have watched or heard since then.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's.
>> Tim Wildmon: Since then. Right. That's got to be many millions more, since this. We're two days late. Look, we're still talking about it. Yeah, it was, okay. It was a turning point. It was a moment. It was a moment in American history. People say, do you believe this is revival? Well, the answer to that question is always time will tell. But if Revival comes Sunday was a good step, ah, in that direction.
President Trump said acetaminophen during pregnancy increases risk of autism
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Steve, next story.
>> Steve Jordahl: Just, let me just put a period on this to say that Turning Point USA has announced that they're going to finish the tour that Charlie was doing. You can go to Turning Point USA and see. They're going to be University of Minnesota, Virginia Tech, Utah State, Montana State, University of North Dakota, University of Oklahoma, Indiana University, Bloomington, Louisiana State, Ole Miss, Auburn and Berkeley.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Who's at that? Berkeley1. I know the answer.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's going to be, Frank Turek and Rob, Schneider. So, but they have, for, the most part they have different people filling in. but they're going to continue on with that. Yesterday, we previewed this a little bit, during our show yesterday. But, yesterday afternoon Donald Trump, brought his medical experts out and stood in front of a microphone and said the following. Cut 4.
>> Tim Wildmon: Tylenol during pregnancy can be associated with a very increased risk of autism. So taking Tylenol is, not good. All right, I'll say it. It's not good. For this reason, they are strongly recommending that women limit Tylenol use during pregnancy unless medically necessary.
>> Steve Jordahl: I'd like to split the conversation real quick up into.
>> Tim Wildmon: Are you a doctor?
>> Steve Jordahl: I am not. And this is the second point. That's my second point.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't have to be a doctor and everything.
>> Steve Jordahl: There are many doctors, there's many medical people that are pushing back against the medical claim that acetaminophen, let's not forget, the brand names. But acetaminophen during pregnancy helps increase autism. they came out with their own studies that said that it does. So that's an open question in my mind. And if they are grabbing some kind of a breakthrough on the cause of autism and maybe a potential lessening of those numbers, it is a historic breakthrough that is separate from what I saw on TV yesterday, which is you just heard Donald Trump be a doctor to the country, which. And yet all the doctors standing right behind him. so I.
>> Tim Wildmon: Should he have been the one to talk about that though?
>> Steve Jordahl: No, I think it was a political. I think it was a self inflicted wound. how so you bring your medical team out if you stand by this and you say, I wanted. This is, Dr. Mehmet Oz. And we, found that autism and acetaminophen are linked. Dr. Oz, would you tell us the details?
>> Tim Wildmon: He, didn't do that.
>> Steve Jordahl: No, he has to take credit for everything. I think, I think his ego got the best of it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Are you talking about the same?
>> Steve Jordahl: I might, yeah. I know it's a shock.
>> Tim Wildmon: When did this start?
>> Wesley Wildmon: It just started at the UN today.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, right. Listen, I call it, I call it Good Trump, bad Trump. you know, with President Trump, here's how it is, especially for people who support him, it's man, God's great. That's good, man. Wow, man, you're a bow. And then next day you go, what in the world?
>> Steve Jordahl: Right?
>> Tim Wildmon: What did he just say? So that, you know, you take the good with the bad. It's very little bad. Most of it's good from a policy standpoint, from a policy and conservative point of view.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But yeah, from a behavior standpoint.
>> Tim Wildmon: During COVID you know, he couldn't help himself. I was going like, okay, you gave Vice President Pence the job of leading the COVID panel. And every day you walk in and take over his press conference.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Did do that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Trump, you remember that? I'm going like, dude. And that hurt him too. That hurt him among the public. Because people wanted to hear from Vice President Pence and whoever else he had on his panel there. They didn't want to have some. President Trump has, has that, I call it a weakness. but sometimes to talk about things when he needs to let somebody else talk for him. Okay, and this is the. You're saying, Steve, that was your opinion of what happened yesterday?
>> Steve Jordahl: I had to stop watching it. It bothered me.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, it triggered you.
>> Steve Jordahl: I am a second amendment.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, listen, I don't know. We're right, we don't know. what President Trump did yesterday is. Steve's talking about. He. Well, you heard him. He said Tylenol. I was surprised. He. That's a brand name, right? I mean, that's a company. Are they gonna sue him?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, yes, to my knowledge, it is a brand name, but it's also.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, he's talking about the contents of Tylenol.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right?
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. That's what I thought he would refer to instead of just talking about Tylenol. Because that way you kind of avoid, a potential lawsuit for. Because Tylenol stock tanked yesterday.
President Trump said taking Tylenol while pregnant can cause autism
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, I bet it did.
>> Tim Wildmon: when President Trump talked about this. So again, I don't know enough. he cited studies. President Trump said, we have studies to suggest. yeah, he, taking Tylenol while you're pregnant with a baby can cause autism. That's what his point was. Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: And he did have his physician speak after Him. He did, but it was well after him.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, he did. Which physicians?
>> Steve Jordahl: the CMS administrator who's a medical doctor, spoke. Dr. Marty McCarry.
>> Tim Wildmon: Did, did Kennedy speak?
>> Steve Jordahl: Kennedy might have spoken, but not, he did talk, but not in the context of being a medical doctor, which he's not.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, there is some. There's some reason for autism exploding, and we don't know exactly why it is. That's what Robert F. Kennedy is trying to get.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Some are more convicted about why it is than others. I mean, I have heard some people that are very passionate about, and they have their studies to prove that it has to do the vaccines.
>> Tim Wildmon: yeah, I had a neighbor. Again, this is anecdotal, this is not scientific, but I had a Neighbor, this is 15 years ago, and his child, his son, he had, like, four children, and one of them had autism. And, he said, he. It was. He was convinced after all his research that it was, the getting so many vaccines in such a short period of time that contributed to the autism. Now, I'm just telling you that I can't prove that, and he couldn't prove it. That was just his educated research of, some. And he didn't care what the reason was. He just wanted to get to the bottom of it. He didn't have a political agenda, on this issue. But so. And there you've heard it. A lot of people are very concerned about giving children all these vaccines, especially, like, together, One shot. All right, Ray, thank you so much.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thank you. Tim.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think. Wesley, thank you.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yep.
>> Tim Wildmon: Steve, appreciate it.
>> Steve Jordahl: My pleasure.
>> Tim Wildmon: And Brent, Creeley, our producer, want to thank him. And the Chris Woodward, all five, six, seven of him. Is that what he said? He is six, five, six. Okay. Shailene. Charlene was on with us. Shailene from Love Life, Alabama, What a wonderful lady. Shared her testimony with us. All right, we'll see you tomorrow, everybody. Have a great day.
