>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Back, everybody to Today's Issues on American Family Radio. Today's issue is the name of this show, and we'll be here for another 24 and a half more minutes. I'm Tim Wildmon with Fred Jackson. And now Steve Paisley Jordah.
>> Steve Jordahl: Good morning and enter the room.
>> Tim Wildmon: How you doing, brother Steve?
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, fine. There was a bit of weeping and gnashing of teeth at our house over the weekend.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: Your wife's big, Alabama fan.
>> Tim Wildmon: Alabama fan.
>> Fred Jackson: Her whole.
>> Steve Jordahl: Her whole side of the family is.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, Oklahoma knocked them off in Tuscaloosa.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right. It was not good. Yeah. And Alabama dominated every single category, but two turnovers did them in, so.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that's the way it goes. It is.
>> Steve Jordahl: They're now, you know, number 10.
>> Tim Wildmon: You grew up in California. I did Colorado and M. And, here, so. But you married a girl.
>> Steve Jordahl: I married an Alabama girl, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And who's in. Who's Roll Tide?
>> Steve Jordahl: She's Roll Tide. She played in.
>> Tim Wildmon: So you had the band there. So you. You. You married into the family.
>> Steve Jordahl: I married into Roll Tide. I married into the sec. I was Mountain West. I, graduated from San Jose State University and, was a big Air Force. Still am a big Air Force fan because I lived in Colorado Springs for 15 years.
>> Tim Wildmon: So then you. Then you learned what religion's really about then.
>> Steve Jordahl: I learned nothing. Like, ah, listen, the SEC is Mountain West.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
Lenae Patrick is the director of the American Family Association Resource Center
All right, so, Lenae Patrick. I asked Lena to come in the studio just for a few minutes and be our guest to talk about our American Family Association, American Family Radio 2025 Christmas button. And we are getting swarmed with orders. and we're going to talk about it in just. Just now with Linnae, because she. She oversees our product distribution, part of our ministry. What's your proper title there, Lenae?
>> Lennae Patrick: I am the director of the AFA Resource Center.
>> Tim Wildmon: Let me write that down, because I'm the president and I need to know what you do around here. Director of what?
>> Lennae Patrick: The AFA Resource Center.
>> Tim Wildmon: Of afa. Resource Center. All right, well, welcome.
>> Donald Trump: Thank you.
>> Tim Wildmon: To the program, Lenae Patrick.
How did you get down to Mississippi from North Dakota
Now, you. Where, you and, where'd y' all grow up?
>> Lennae Patrick: I grew up in North Dakota.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right. North Dakota.
>> Lennae Patrick: North Dakota.
>> Tim Wildmon: I detect a little North Dakota accent right there.
>> Lennae Patrick: my accent is a mismatch of several areas.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so how. How did you get down, Have you wondered this your whole time down here? How did you get down to Mississippi from North Dakota.
>> Lennae Patrick: That is close, yes. my husband actually. He and I. He had been working at.
>> Tim Wildmon: Your husband Devin.
>> Lennae Patrick: Husband Devin, right. He had been working at AFA since 2007. He'd been here and a half years. He took a year sabbatical, went to India, to work for a non profit there at ministry. I was working for the same ministry.
>> Tim Wildmon: Not to find himself.
>> Lennae Patrick: Not to find himself, no.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, that's good to know because a lot of people go to India to find themselves and they never find themselves.
>> Lennae Patrick: No.
>> Tim Wildmon: He found a wife, $10,000 and then they didn't even find themselves.
>> Donald Trump: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So he found you over there.
>> Lennae Patrick: He found me over there, yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: American girl in India and Evans over there on a one year. Yeah. In all seriousness, he went over there to do some Christian work.
>> Lennae Patrick: Yeah, we were actually, we are, our terms there coincided. we technically met in the international terminal of o', Hare, but didn't really have any conversation, get to know each other until we made it to India. And so spent the next 11 months getting to know each other. And toward the end of it.
>> Tim Wildmon: He's from Michigan. Right?
>> Lennae Patrick: He's from Michigan.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: He's from Michigan. You're from North Dakota and you live in Mississippi.
>> Lennae Patrick: That's right. So he came back a month later, we got married and moved back down here. He resumed his position and almost, but eight months later I was hired on here.
AFA Christmas buttons are available for $15 per 10 pack
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, we've got these Christmas buttons. Jesus. I want to. If people are watching on the Internet, I'm holding. You probably can't see that, but you can flash it up. And you can also see this if you go to our website, which Lenae, talk about the buttons where people can go and look at them, how they can go place an order. Because we've got these things at a very good price.
>> Lennae Patrick: We did, yeah. And we've, we've got a. We so far sold about 5,000 packs and they come in packs of 10.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wow.
>> Lennae Patrick: So that means 50,000 AFA Christmas buttons with the message of Christ are out there or on their way to people in the US and we've got a few thousand more to go. So we encourage you to call in, get online, order yours before they're gone. they can order it at the website resources.aca.net or by calling. We have an order line where someone will be happy to take your order for you.
>> Tim Wildmon: So can you just. You can see the button right when you go to this website. Yes, go ahead.
>> Lennae Patrick: It's Right on the homepage, there's a picture of it. Just click on it and it takes you there. the Phone number is 877-927-4917.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Okay, go ahead and give that phone number. Where does that phone number call? How much do the buttons cost? They're called, the buttons are, they got the nativity scene on it and it says Jesus, our joy for all eternity. Again, you can go look at it@afa.net afa.net but they can if they want to pick up the phone and order this 10 pack or, or they come in packs of 10.
>> Lennae Patrick: They come in packs of 10.
>> Tim Wildmon: So if you want to order 20 for example, or 30.
>> Tim Wildmon: you can do that.
>> Lennae Patrick: Absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: What's the phone, does that phone number call us here?
>> Lennae Patrick: The phone number calls. We contract with a, an order center, an order center that works with a lot of nonprofits and Christian ministries and we've worked with them for years and they're great.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're telling me you want the AFA Christmas Bud?
>> Lennae Patrick: That's right. And they'll know exactly what you're talking about. It is 877-927-4917. what we've done this year is we've changed our system to a, an ordering system by donation. So it's a minimum of $5 per 10 pack. But we encourage you, everything you donate above and beyond that per pack goes to the Ministry of AFA.
>> Tim Wildmon: So whatever you want to pay beyond $5 abely.
>> Lennae Patrick: The retail price is listed as $15 per 10 pack. But we encourage people, you know, you're supporting AFI, you're helping us to make sure this happens again next year.
>> Fred Jackson: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so get the website and give the phone number.
>> Lennae Patrick: Again, the website is resources.aca.net or the phone number is 877-927-4917.
>> Tim Wildmon: If you call today, we'll get those buttons out and you can have them by Thanksgiving.
>> Lennae Patrick: Absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: And then you can wear them. Wear them and give them away during the month of December. And what a great way to be a Christian witness.
>> Lennae Patrick: Absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: Because people are going to see those buttons, are going to ask you about them and then you can handle one.
>> Lennae Patrick: That's right. And if you are a church or a small business owner, we've had several small businesses like restaurants, medical offices up front maybe. Yeah, they'll order 20 packs, 50 packs, and they give them out to their customers, their employees, all the people that come in and are a blessing to their community.
Patrick loves North Dakota, but September gets iffy for some
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen do you miss the north, Dakota winners?
>> Lennae Patrick: Not in the least.
>> Tim Wildmon: You sound like brother Fred over here from Canada.
>> Fred Jackson: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: He loves his home country. And, North Dakota's beautiful, but go in, September, right?
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Lennae Patrick: June and July are beautiful.
>> Fred Jackson: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's when we need to escape down here.
>> Lennae Patrick: That's exactly right. Yeah. September, it starts getting a little iffy.
>> Fred Jackson: Those of us who September gets iffy.
>> Tim Wildmon: Did you grow up in North Dakota?
>> Fred Jackson: I've been through Fargo, in wintertime.
>> Lennae Patrick: Uh-huh.
>> Fred Jackson: Six or seven months of winter will cure you of that idea. I think I'd love to move to the north because I like those pictures on the Christmas, cards, you know, with the smoke curling out and the nice snow around.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, is that what it.
>> Fred Jackson: People fall in love with winter. Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: You've been watching too much Hallmark here.
>> Lennae Patrick: I think you get about four days of that, and then you're ready for it to change.
>> Fred Jackson: Amen. Amen.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think God knew what to do with brother Tim when he placed me. I don't complain much about the heat and humidity in the summer, but, man, if, I had to live somewhere where September was the beginning of winter. Ah, shoot me.
>> Lennae Patrick: Just going back out of my misery one day. Switch, flips. And you got to wear your jackets in North Dakota.
>> Tim Wildmon: It is really pretty, at least through October, isn't it?
>> Lennae Patrick: In all seriousness, most of the time, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Most of the time.
>> Lennae Patrick: M. I've driven on ice on my birthday, which is in the middle of October. So, yes, I. I never hold my breath.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thank you, Lanae.
>> Lennae Patrick: You're welcome.
>> Tim Wildmon: Patrick joining us there.
There are now 41 million Americans receiving SNAP benefits, according to President Trump
All right, Brother Steve. Hey, got.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, guess what? President Trump is saying that if, you want to have. Continue having SNAP or the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, AKA food stamps, you got to reapply. this one of the things that the shutdown did, because you remember that everybody got thrown off of snap, and it started a discussion about how much we spend on SNAP, which is about $100 million, $100 billion a year. $100 billion a year. And, people said that that's a lot of money. Who's starving in America. I mean, if you. You know, so they went and did some auditing, and they found that there's a lot of people that belong on snap, a lot of illegal immigrants, a lot of people who are eligible to work. President Trump was talking about this, and this is what he had to say.
>> Donald Trump: Cut for when I was president. The number that you're talking about was a tiny fraction of what it is now, Biden went totally crazy. Gave it to anybody that would ask, gave it to people that were able bodied, had no problem, anybody that would ask. We get the number and it's many times the number of people are run. This wasn't meant for that. It was meant for people that had real problems in many cases, people that were down and out, people that could be saved. It wasn't meant for people that could do whatever they want. The people that say, well, I don't think I'll work, I'll just, you know, collect this money. take a look at the number. What it was during my administration and what it was during the Biden administration, it went up many, many times.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. So like with any federal government program, it's eventually going to be used and abused, because there's no accountability. And so I commend, President Trump and his administration on this because there is. He's not saying people. He's not saying he's against, food stamps. No, he's saying, which is. That's what we call SNAP benefits today. No, longer called food stamps. Well, we grew up known as food stamp. Right. He's saying that they're going to do it basically do, you're going to reapply so that you can prove that you're legitimately receiving these funds and it's not being. You're not a part of the fraud and abuse that takes place. This, happened with disability, too. You've seen those people get. Now, when you have government programs as big and on a massive scale like we have in this country, you are going to always have fraud and abuse. You just are. But you can cut, that back by having more accountability. And in this case, this is what amounts to, seems to me an audit, Fred, Absolutely. Of this program.
>> Fred Jackson: Well, it's, you know, it's needed. There are now 41 million Americans that are receiving this benefit. Snap, snap.
>> Tim Wildmon: How much is that a month? Or does it depend on how much, how many people you have?
>> Steve Jordahl: It depends on the size of your family. I can pull that up for you.
>> Fred Jackson: How many dependents, et cetera, et cetera. Here's the big problem. And the Trump administration has recognized this. Under the Biden administration, you didn't even have to be in the country, legally.
>> Tim Wildmon: You mean, to get these benefits.
>> Fred Jackson: Get these benefits, just showing up and getting them. And then you have one. And President Trump mentioned this, you have abled body people getting this. In other words, they have no physical disabilities or anything. We're talking about people who could get a job.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Fred Jackson: There are people, there's, there's a large coffee organization in this country that'll pay you 20 bucks an hour.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: So, and they're looking for people.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: All right, so there's. If you're able body and you could go out and work for a living, then you're not going to get this program anymore. So it's going to save the taxpayers many hundreds of millions of dollars.
>> Steve Jordahl: If you are a single person, you can receive up to $298 a month in food, stamps or SNAP benefits. A, couple without kids, 540 or two people, $546. A three person family, $785. If you're four people or more, I believe it's. Well you might. And then there's an additional per, so $994 per for four people. And then there's an additional set, amount for any child over four.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: So if you have 12 kids, you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Mean if you have four people live in the house, you get a check for approximately $1,000 a month?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yep.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wow. But how could four people be, is that coincidental? You got four people who can't. Maybe you're talking about minors, an adult with three children or something like that.
>> Steve Jordahl: It's a family, it's a family, measure.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, you know, once you start talking about making people re. Sign up for it, then the liberals are going to say, see, you're for people. When nobody's for starving people. You just, but you got to have some idea of accountability for who's eligible and who's not. Otherwise if everybody just can sign up and get it, without much proof of any situation, then you're going to have abuse because that's human nature.
Was it interesting when uh, the government shutdown started?
>> Fred Jackson: Was it interesting when the government shutdown started? you start to see these videos on social media because you had the, you know, people saying, look at me, I'm starving. Somebody would ask them, do you work? And they would go silent. Yeah, you know, they've been living off of this. Some people sell their benefits also.
>> Tim Wildmon: Really?
>> Fred Jackson: There was one lady being interviewed and she said, I take so much and then I sell the rest of the benefit. so there's, there's so much abuse of it.
>> Steve Jordahl: One of the things that, it's a cynical take, but one of the things that people are saying could happen with this is if you're kicking every illegal immigrant off of snap, they're not going to be able to live here anymore. They will maybe go back to their own country. Yeah, that's, that's what people are saying. I don't know if that's in the mind.
Ford CEO warns of shortage of skilled tradespeople in U.S
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, what's your next story? Because I got one if you.
>> Steve Jordahl: No, go ahead. Whatever you'd like to talk about, I'm ready.
>> Tim Wildmon: I saw this last night. I, you know, I read various, news sites. I'm a news junkie like you guys are. You almost have to be in the work we're in. But I read the New York Post and that's a conservative newspaper, website for the most part. I mean they have some liberal commentary too, but that, you know, it's just part of Ed up or whatever. But they're, they're, they're. I trust their, their, their news story writing. But anyway, I was reading this last night and I don't, I don't read a lot of business news because it just boring. but in this case, this caught my attention. I'll just read you the first couple of paragraphs. It says Ford, as in the motor company. The Ford Motor Company, has been unable to fill some 5,000 openings for mechanics despite offering a salary of $120,000 a year.
>> Fred Jackson: Wow.
>> Tim Wildmon: Prompting the company's chief executive to warn of a dire sort of shortage of skilled tradespeople in the U.S. yep.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Let me quote, Let me give you another couple quotes and you can comment. Fred. this is the CEO of ah, Ford, Jim Farley. He said we are in trouble in our country. We are not talking about this enough. He said, we have over a million openings in critical jobs, emergency services. now he's not talking about necessarily right here, Ford itself. I think he's talking about the US but he does get back to his own company. He says we have over a million openings and critical jobs, emergency services, trucking factory workers, plumbers, electricians and tradesmen. He said it. This is a very serious thing. He, the $120,000 pay is nearly twice the average annual American salary. Let me go on with a couple of other things. He says, he says it takes about five years to learn the skills needed to pull a diesel engine out of a Ford super duty truck. And the country isn't training enough people to do it. He said we do not have trade schools, end quote. anyway, he goes on here to talk about, how there's a shortage in our country of people who are that do stuff. Go ahead. Now, for lack of a better term.
>> Fred Jackson: in the last several months, Mike Rowe if people are familiar with.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, Dirty Jobs guy.
>> Fred Jackson: Jobs guy. He has been out there preaching this gospel saying, enough is enough. You got so many kids that are going to university and getting a degree. right. You know, they get a degree in whatever, but there's no jobs for that coming out of university. But he says we should be encouraging young men and young women to go into the trades and train to be a mechanic, train to be a plumber, train to be a welder, because that's. He says AI is not going to replace those jobs. AI cannot fix an engine and install an engine, AI cannot do plumbing. AI cannot build a house for you. So he's saying we should be having people because, as that story said, they're great paying jobs.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. he says, baby boomers are retiring from the trades faster than millennials and gen zers are entering them. Steve there, have you heard this?
>> Steve Jordahl: No. I, cover AI for American Family News, and all my sources have been telling me the exact same thing we used to tell kids. If you, a job that's got the future, you want to make some good money, learn how to code. Because that was computers, were it. Well, now we have an AI program that can code just about anything you want coded in about like 100 times faster than any human could.
>> Tim Wildmon: In.
>> Steve Jordahl: In seconds, you can get complicated code. So coding is not going to be the future. what is are the traits, like Fred was saying you, Unless until you get a robot that can actually lean over an engine and take out an alternate, you know, a computer chip or whatever, that's going to be where the future, growth is.
>> Tim Wildmon: I wonder why this is the lack of trade. just don't think they. You think it's the manual labor part of it that.
>> Fred Jackson: Well, I think what happened was that, there was an impression that was planted in our culture out there that those are kind of jobs for people.
>> Tim Wildmon: Blue collar.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Jobs for people they weren't gonna pay enough to make a living.
>> Fred Jackson: Well, not only that, those are jobs for people who couldn't get in university.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, I gotcha. That's a false narrative.
>> Fred Jackson: Absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: It was still out there.
>> Steve Jordahl: There's a lot of good comment. Charlie Kirk never went to college. Matt Walsh never went to college there. And they are. Kirk would often one of his arguments was, college is ripping you off.
A lot of kids were told go to college. We made loans easy to get
so I think Fred's exactly right. A lot of kids were told go to college. We made loans, easy to get, you didn't have to pay them back. And, it devalued the Value of a college education.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think a lot of, a lot of people now today, especially the parents of kids are going to college is, is if you're going to go for four or five years, some have to go longer. You better make sure you get a degree in something that you can actually get a job that pays. Absolutely not. Some you know, fantastical dreamland, job that, I mean major that doesn't, that you can't get a job with.
>> Steve Jordahl: Lesbian studies, basket weaving for example.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. I mean, you know, I'll tell you because you must spend so much money on college.
>> Tim Wildmon: It better be worth it in the end.
>> Fred Jackson: The best deal in the world.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: Get involved with our military there you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Go into the ROTC program or something like that.
>> Fred Jackson: Go into the military, get, get a trade training.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Fred Jackson: Hunt mechanical.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, that's true.
>> Fred Jackson: You're making money.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Fred Jackson: While you're being trained.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Fred Jackson: You put your five, six, seven years in.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Fred Jackson: You come out trained, you're going to.
>> Tim Wildmon: Be grabbed, by companies. You're going to be a hot commodity.
>> Fred Jackson: You're going to be a hot, you're already trained, you're ready to go.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, that's a good point. And that's the people coming out of the military that companies do. Look, if they can do put five years in the military, I know they're going to be trained well and they're going to be self disciplined and they're going to be hard workers. Right?
>> Fred Jackson: Absolutely. It's win, win all the way.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Kind of like, it's kind of like the military has vetted you for a company.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes, yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Before you get there.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes, absolutely.
Michelle Obama keeps getting asked if she plans to run for president
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Steve, what else you got?
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, let's end here. I think we Myshel Obama keeps getting asked, are you going to run for president? She keeps saying no. And now we know why she says no. And it just is kind of another indication of what we may have if she decided to run and won, what we may have dodged the bullet on. I want you to hear why she says she'd never want to run for president. And then another kind of weird, thing about hair, style cut 13.
>> Speaker F: As we saw in this past election, sadly, we ain't ready. That's why I'm like, don't even look at me about running because you all are lying. You're not ready for a woman. You are not. So don't waste my time. We got a lot of growing up to do and there's still sadly a lot of men who, who do not feel like they can be led by a woman. And we saw it. Let me explain something to white people. Our hair comes out of our head naturally in a curly pattern. So when we're straightening it to follow your beauty standards, we are trapped, by the straightness. That's why so many of us can't swim.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't think she needs to be president.
>> Steve Jordahl: I don't either.
>> Tim Wildmon: maybe a comedian. I don't know. if she can work some humor in there.
>> Fred Jackson: She's a bitter woman.
>> Steve Jordahl: The first time she's a bitter woman.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, America may elect a president. Woman. I don't think that has anything. Hillary Clinton got more votes than Donald Trump.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes. Give me a Maggie Thatcher.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, I mean, the fact that people won't vote for woman now. I don't. I vote for people based on their politics, and they're liberal, conservative, not whether they're white, black, or man woman. That's, I think that's just a ridiculous argument about the white people. And the hair straightening thing, I got no comment.
>> Steve Jordahl: I don't even know what it means.
>> Tim Wildmon: Because I haven't even had hair for, like, 25 years. So I don't care about that issue. doesn't interest me at all. We'll be back tomorrow. See you then.
