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Today's Issues continues on AFR with your. Tim Wildman discussing Israel and Christianity

>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. That's the name of this show. I'm Tim Wildmon with Wesley Wildmon, and, Steve Paisley Jordah joins us now. Good morning, brother Steve.

>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, good morning, everybody.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so we're continuing to talk about a topic, that we were the last half hour with Sandy Rios.

>> Steve Jordahl: This.

>> Tim Wildmon: Topic that we are talking about with respect to Israel and Christianity and what the Bible teaches about, the Jews and Israel and our relationship with them. Uh-huh. In terms of Christian, community with Israel. And also what about America in general, our government? What should be our policy? Because a lot of people say Israel is no special place. We have no special relationship with Israel. We shouldn't be supportive of them any more than we're supportive of any other country. so there's a lot to talk about here, but.

A driver in Florida hit a power pole and it caught on fire

So I wanted to get Ray back on. Ray Pritchard, raised in. In Florida and his. What happened to your power there, brother Ray?

>> Dr. Ray Pritchard: Well, evidently, while we were on the air, a driver hit a power pole and knocked it out, and it caught on fire. So this is what cold weather does to people in Florida. They start driving even crazier than usual.

>> Tim Wildmon: So, that's good.

>> Steve Jordahl: At least it wasn't an iguana.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's what I was going to say. It seems like everything's coming back to the iguana. So you sure there's no iguana involved here at all?

>> Dr. Ray Pritchard: It's very possible.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, it is possible.

>> Dr. Ray Pritchard: Iguana hit the guy, and the guy hit the pole, and it starts on fire and boom, here we are.

>> Tim Wildmon: He could. Could have tried to dodge a falling iguana, you know. You know what I'm saying? That happened.

>> Dr. Ray Pritchard: You know what you're saying?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yep. So Ray, Sandy. Sandy, is not, too far from, from. From Ray, but Sandy, rios. From Sandy Rios 24 7. Sandy, tell people how to listen, to your podcast. Air twice a week.

Sandy Rios 24 7 is available on any podcast platform

Then I want to get back to this topic.

>> Sandy Rios: Well, it's Sandy Rios 24 7, and you can get it on any podcast platform. And certainly because we are part of American Family Radio Network, the same. You can go to afr.net and look at the podcast categories and find Sandy Rios 24 7. You can also find it on my website if you don't feel fluent or comfortable, with other ways to do this. Go to sandy rios.com and it's. It's easy. You can see it. You can listen every day.

We've been talking also about Tucker Carlson because some of the things he says are offensive

>> Tim Wildmon: We've been talking also about Tucker Carlsen because, that some of the things that Tucker saying and, and is just. I don't know what to say. It's unbelievable, that he's saying about Israel that I find offensive and that millions of people who have been his fans and followers find offensive. And he's really got his, dander up about it. He's, very defensive. And he was on with Megyn Kelly. And if you try to challenge him about any of this stuff, he just shuts it down with, well, deflects. He just. His. Well, I only answer to God in my family, basically. That's what he said the other day about, interviewing.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Or then he challenges you on free speech.

>> Tim Wildmon: Aren't.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Aren't you for free speech?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I mean, he's really. He's really like somebody backed in a corner. He's backed himself in the corner, quite frankly, on the. In now I say in the corner. There's people in the corner with him. unfortunately, on. On. On some of the things that he's saying that are anti Israel, anti Semitic. I don't know how to put it. I wanted, I don't know which way, the best way to do this because,

Tucker Carlson walks back comments about dislike of Christian Zionists

Steve, you had a. Did you have a quote from, audio. Did you have something you wanted to say here?

>> Steve Jordahl: Well, listen, I just. I was prepared to talk about this topic. and, So, I can. What I have is an audio of Tucker Carlsen kind of walking back his comments about his dislike of Christian Zionists. and then he clarified why he said he was mad. And then, he clarified who he was mad at. It wasn't all Christian Zionist. We can play that if you'd like.

>> Tim Wildmon: When was this?

>> Steve Jordahl: This was yesterday. Monday.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, go on, Dave show. I'll listen to it.

>> Steve Jordahl: Go ahead, cut nine.

>> Speaker F: But I just want to say at the outset, because this has been weighing on me, I did say something that I really regret saying that I didn't fully mean. I said it because I was mad, which is always when I say I don't really mean. I was snippy and I didn't explain it. And I said something to the effect of I despise Christian Zionists. And I'm just sorry that I said that because I don't. I'm mad at a, certain kind of thinking. Some of the nicest people I know are Christian Zionists. Actually. You know, if you're in a car crash, they would save you. If you need someone to watch your bank account, they wouldn't steal from you. They're like really good people and sweet people.

>> Steve Jordahl: So he went on M to say, and it was a two minute clip. So I didn't do all of this. He wanted to say who he is mad at or he says he, he asked some of the leaders in Congress, specifically, Speaker Johnson, about Israel, who he says on purpose. This is a charge that Tucker is making, not us, that Israel bombed some Christian churches in Gaza on purpose and killed Christians. And why are we paying for that? And he says, quote, the response I got from every single one of these politicians was the Bible commands us to support Israel. He said. And I said, so Jesus is telling us that we need to get on board with murdering Christians. Is that what you're saying? And they basically said then like, shut up.

>> Tim Wildmon: Close quote. Is he paraphrasing right there? Because I don't believe him. okay, so the part I don't believe what Tucker's saying there, and maybe I'm, maybe, maybe it did happen this way. I don't believe that. Speaker Mike Johnson, by the way, who is an evangelical Christian himself.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yes, he is.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't think that all. Did you say, what was the quote? All of them said what his quote.

>> Steve Jordahl: The response I got from every single one was the Bible commands us to support Israel. And I said, so Jesus is telling us that we need to get on board with murder.

>> Tim Wildmon: See, I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I think an answer would. Almost all those guys who are Christians who would support Israel in Congress, they would say this. They would say, well, if, if Israel bombed churches in Gaza, then they didn't mean to. And if they didn't mean to, there was a good reason for it. And it's unfortunate that they didn't, they didn't intentionally, kill Christians and destroy churches just for the fun of it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: In Gaza.

>> Steve Jordahl: Which was his claim.

>> Tim Wildmon: Which is what his. Let me finish here. Which is what his smart alec response is making them seem to say. Does that make sense?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Exactly. Absolutely.

>> Steve Jordahl: You're absolutely right.

Ray Fischer: Evangelicals are completely ignorant about Israel right now

>> Sandy Rios: Tim, can I jump in?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Sandy Rios: Well, one observation that I've made that I think is very important, this interpretation of Tucker, misinterpretation of what he just said about Mike Johnson and others, and I agree with you on that, springs from that discussion with, Ted Cruz on the air. You remember that? I bet you guys talked about that too. Go ahead and the observation I have about that in trying to analyze what's causing not just Tucker, but the whole mess. And it goes back to a statement I made in the first hour with you. Evangelicals are completely ignorant right now. All they know is, is there are exceptions, yes, but for the most part, they don't know the connection between Israel, biblically or historically. And so they remember sound bites. And I'll give you the case in point. Ted Cruz, the most brilliant, probably most brilliant senator, likely in Congress, certainly debater, informed, smart, recall of details. When he was challenged by Tucker in that back and forth on why he felt they should support Israel, his answer was, because I learned in some Sunday school that God blesses those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel, and I want to get a blessing. Now, I maintain to all of you that that was an uninformed M answer. I'm not saying Ted was wrong, but I'm saying that brilliant man, right? He couldn't make the case, which we had cases for it. He couldn't do it. So if he can't do it, then this is what we've got. We've got ignorance in the church and lack of teaching.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well, then that would support Tucker's charge. the answer he got back was exactly what Ted Cruz got.

>> Sandy Rios: Well, I think there are certainly shades of it. I don't think. I think he overstates, of course, to make his point.

>> Tim Wildmon: so anyway, I think the answer would more likely be from most of them, would be what I said, and that Israel, is, our traditional and longtime ally in the Middle east, and they have values that are more similar to ours than any other, Muslim, dictatorship, in the region. so. All right, Ray, I want to bring you in here for just. I, want to give you the hard question, Ray.

>> Dr. Ray Pritchard: okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: If the power goes out this time, we'll know you're just avoiding the question, so. No, I'm just kidding.

This whole issue of replacement, uh, theology and what

All right. It gets, This whole issue of replacement, theology and what, our view of Israel today is versus historically by the Christian community can get somewhat complicated. But I want you to talk about it because there are verses that I can't cite right here and right now, but there are verses in the New Testament that seem to indicate because Christ came, the world of, salvation is now, and God's relationship with people is now open to all, not just Jews. And so there is that, does that. Is that replacement theology? And what about the Abrahamic? Abrahamic. Help me out here.

>> Steve Jordahl: Abrahamic covenant.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, go ahead.

>> Dr. Ray Pritchard: That is not replacement, theology at all. That's just good old fashioned Bible Christianity. The truth is, the gospel now goes to all the nations. Jesus said God preach the Gospel to every nation, beginning in Jerusalem, but not stopping there. Acts 1:8, Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, to the ends of the earth. And so we can confidently say to anybody, anywhere, if you come to Jesus Christ, if you turn from your sins, if you trust in the Savior, you will be saved. So that to me is bottom line. That's just Christian evangelism. All right, the deeper question is this and probably getting more to your point. Does God still have a plan for ethnic Israel? Do the promises, the land promises, the national promises made in the Old Testament, which they're in Genesis, but they're also in Exodus, they're also in Deuteronomy, they're also in Second Samuel, they're in the book of Isaiah, they're in the book of, scattered throughout the book of Psalms, promises made again and again to the nation of Israel. The question is, are those promises fulfilled today, exclusively and only in the church of Jesus Christ, or does God still have a future for ethnic Israel in the last days? And my answer would be, he still has a plan for the Jewish people which will be fulfilled in the last days when Jesus comes back. I don't see, again, I understand some learned Bible students would disagree with what I'm about to say. I respect that. I understand it. But as I read Romans 11 where Paul says into all Israel will be saved, I don't see how you can read that as applying to, make Israel there equal the Christian church generally. I think he means Israel, the Jewish people. There will be a great turning to Christ among the Jewish people when Jesus comes again. So, do I think the church has inherited some of the promises that were given to Israel in the Old Testament are now extended to the church? Yes, absolutely. That's what the New Covenant is all about. The thing is the idea that the church replaces Israel completely in God's plan. I don't see that in the Bible.

>> Sandy Rios: Could I jump in?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, jump in.

>> Sandy Rios: Yeah, yeah.

Ray: Romans 9 through 11 is a must read for people confused

So, Ray, you know, you and I are on the same team as usual, Romans 9 through 11 is a must read for people confused right now. The whole thing, nine through 11, Paul makes it very clear. And I want to just say something that will be a practical illustration. Some of you will remember that in our country and in England, some of our founding fathers from England, my roots are there too. There were, we Always had family estates, family land, family houses, names were connected to property. And in Israel, same thing. Land. The land, the land. So when God promised the land in his promise to Abraham initially and all repeated places like Ray mentions, of course he meant the land, the people and the land, the people and the land and that. And I would say also two things I got to tell you very quickly. I know I don't want to dominate here, but I heard a Dallas seminary professor in a video recently just, poo poo, that, you know, all the things of revelation, the role of Jews, that's already happened, blah, blah, blah, blah. I talked to a guy that you would know. I won't mention his name because it's private conversation. Who was in Israel. He's been there 70 times. He's a very prominent theologian. And he said that the Catholic Church is just building strength in Israel right now. and he was challenging them on trying to take property that Israel owned. And he's the Catholic leader he was dealing with said, well, the Catholic Church is the replacement from Israel. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter anymore. The promises to them. And so this is like a poison spreading through it is an abject lie. It's an apostasy from my perspective. And I want to just point out the reason I believe, if you pin people down, that they believe, they think the Jews killed Christ. God has brought his judgment on the Jews. Oh boy, has he ever. And, the Israelis have rebelled. And I would just put this in there. So you think the church hasn't rebelled? So you think that we haven't crucified Christ again and again and again? When you look around this country, the so called Christian nation, you really think that we're the inheritors of God's promises more than the Jews who rebelled against him? I don't think so.

>> Steve Jordahl: Ray, can I ask you in that same Romans 11 passage, I believe somewhere in there it talks about believers being grafted into the tree. Doesn't that answer this question? the tree remains Israel and we're grafted in. Is that relevant here?

>> Dr. Ray Pritchard: Well, that's exactly right. The root in that image there of the root and, and the tree, the root is the promise that God made to Abraham. It was given originally to Abraham and to his descendants. And when the Jewish people, through their leaders, rejected Christ as their Messiah and crucified him, Paul's argument is that for the moment, blindness in part has come upon the Jewish people. They have been replaced in the promises of God by the Gentiles, the church of Jesus Christ. And, and Paul's argument is, don't boast, you Gentiles. Because if God took the gen. If God took the Jews and set them aside temporarily, he can graft them back into the place of promise anytime he wants. So salvation is completely of the Lord God had. Everything Sandy said is a thousand percent, right? A thousand percent. The promises that God made to Abraham, to the Jewish people, they were true. They are true. And they will, when Christ comes back, be fulfilled down to the letter. And let me just add this. I don't know what Tucker Carlsen thinks about me personally. I'm sure he's never heard of me. But I am one of those Christian Zionists. And I'm happy to take that label because to me all that means is I believe that God still has a plan for the Jewish people and that one day that plan will be completely fulfilled and in the land with the redeemed Jewish people bowing and worshiping Jesus Christ, their promised Messiah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Amen. Amen. All right, thank you, Ray. We appreciate it. We'll, let you go back to trying to get your power turned on. There, is anything you could. Are you, are you a helpless man?

>> Dr. Ray Pritchard: there I am completely and totally helpless. It's better if I don't touch anything.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well, I would just say this. in the grand scheme of things, if you're going to have to be helpless without power, it's better to be helpless in Florida than Kansas City in the winter.

>> Dr. Ray Pritchard: I think that's exactly right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Am I right about that? All right, take care, Ray. Appreciate it.

>> Dr. Ray Pritchard: Thanks, Tim. Bye.

>> Steve Jordahl: Bye.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Sandy, we'll let you go too. Thanks for staying over with us.

Tim Ferriss: Currently we have 54 million non, uh, residents

when's your next, podcast drop?

>> Sandy Rios: It's today and it's going to be very interesting. It is interesting. We just recorded it. we talk. We kind of traced the three elections last week and I bring a lot of, stuff that's come out. I'll just mention two things, Zohan Mamdhami. One, in New York City with 85% of foreign born persons who came in the last five years, there was no voter ID. No voter ID?

>> Tim Wildmon: Are you serious?

>> Sandy Rios: I'm serious. And then I want to give a broader perspective. Currently we have 54 million non, residents not born in the U.S. 54 million. That's 16% of our population. And when you trace these elections on last week and future elections, because we haven't made citizenship requirements, this is our future. What happened last Tuesday is Our future unless we get a grip on this. So I talk about that. I talk about Veterans Day, and that's coming out today.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, you're going to have to have voter ID or the whole system's going to collapse. eventually. you got to have. You got to have voter. You can't have people voting without proper identification that they're even a US Citizen. That's insanity.

>> Sandy Rios: Well, you know what, Tim? We have a great bill. It's called the SAVE Act. It's been passed by the House at least twice, maybe three times, but the Senate refuses to consider it.

>> Tim Wildmon: The Democrats.

>> Sandy Rios: No, I'm talking about, of course the Republicans control the House. In the Senate, the Democrat. The Republicans won't bring it up. They say they don't have enough votes. And this is one of the issues with President Trump about doing away with the filibuster. We've got to save our country. This is an emergency. There are a million things to consider. But this Save act, which just reinstates law and requires citizenship everywhere, and mail in balloting brought back into subjection according to law, it's very important. And yet the Republicans are so concerned about the filibuster, that rule in case they have power next time. They're not going to have power next time. We are headed for a disaster if they don't do this. I think they need to get rid of the filibuster and do emergency measures like President Trump is and like all of us have to. It's all men. Everybody on deck. All hands on deck.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, again, Sandy, Sunshine with us from, from the great state of Florida.

>> Sandy Rios: Bringing no sunshine today for us on my hot tub.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm just, I'm just teasing with Sandy. Sandy brings the truth and let the chips fall where they may, so to speak. All right, Sandy, thanks so much. Take care. We appreciate you been on with us today.

>> Sandy Rios: All right, great to talk to you guys. Love you all.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, love you, too. Sandy Rios, from Sandy Rios, 24 7. Steve.

>> Steve Jordahl: What a good lady.

The Memphis SAFE Task Force has rescued 101 children from sex trafficking

hey, some good news. Let's talk about some good news. Memphis, Tennessee, you know, the Donald Trump sent the, National Guard and some troops into Memphis to help keep the peace there because it's a city that was in deep trouble. Well, about the same time as the, the Guard arrived there, they started a task force which was an interagency coalition of federal, state and local law enforcement partners. And it was, it was called the Memphis SAFE Task Force. And since it has been, started as of November 8th, they have rescued 101 children from sex. Well, probably sex trafficking. And I just wanted to let you hear a little bit about, what the local news, how the local news is covering this.

>> Speaker G: cut 10 first attend. Tonight, we have new information when it comes to the Memphis SAFE Task Force in the city. Hi, there. Thanks for being with us. I'm Shea Arthur. Tonight we have new numbers from the U.S. marshals Service, who tell us the task force has located and safely returned more than 100 missing children. For the past 40 days, the missing child unit worked alongside local and state authorities to bring those children home. Officials call it one of their proudest accomplishments, crediting strong partnerships and relentless investigation. In October alone, the Memphis Safe Task Force says it also made more than 1800 arrests across the region.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, that's great news. rescue of 100 kids. I'm guessing those were within the Memphis area or within m. Driving there. Yeah. That's wonderful.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, that is great news. Absolutely.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That is great news. That's, Obviously, they're not, military, but with Veterans Day and, just. That just reminds me of all those that serve our communities and serve our.

>> Tim Wildmon: Country, keep law and order.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Law and order.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

Virtue Airlines offers direct flights to Cuba, China, and North Korea

Did you have one more story? Do we have time for. Are we out of time?

>> Steve Jordahl: well, let me just.

>> Tim Wildmon: Something funny, didn't you.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, we do. well, no, we. We don't have time.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We can start it. It's still the whole. You know, I play the whole thing.

>> Steve Jordahl: Because I'm this one airline that isn't, doing is. Is doing pretty well. Cut 12.

>> Sandy Rios: Welcome to Virtue Airlines, a progressive airline.

>> Speaker G: For people who cancel everything except their holidays. We offer direct flights to Cuba, China, and North Korea.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, that's progressive. Progressive Airlines.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, we can finish that tomorrow.

>> Tim Wildmon: They want to go to the Communist, Utopian paradises, huh?

>> Steve Jordahl: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. Yeah. Who doesn't want to go direct to North Korea, right? Enjoy a holiday. All right, thank you for listening to our program, everybody. we appreciate it very much. and we'll see you back here tomorrow.