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The American Family Association hosts a weekly radio show discussing Christian issues

>> Jeff Chamblee: In order to become godly men, young boys need to be shown what it takes. That's why men of honor exists. It's a privilege to teach boys aged 7 to 17 the necessary life skills they'll use the rest of their lives. From 5:30 to 7:30 every Tuesday night from June 3rd to the 24th at the AFA campus. They'll learn basic craftsmanship, yard maintenance and much more. It's free, and that even includes the food. Find out more about men of Honor today@afa.net Welcome to today's issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to the program. Today's Issues here on the American Family Radio Network for this Tuesday, May 6, 2025 live radio show here and Ed Battagliano joins me. Good morning, Brother Ed.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Good morning. mostly. I'm mostly alive.

>> Tim Wildmon: Mostly alive. How do you gauge that exactly?

>> Ed Vitagliano: It depends how much. How well I sleep the night before.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, I got you. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So.

>> Tim Wildmon: So how many fingers am I holding?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Three fingers. Well, I stayed up a little later than I should have watched in some hockey last night, and then I got up early this morning and so I'm m kind of cruising on like five and a half hours, six hours of sleep.

>> Tim Wildmon: So you're not responsible for what you say?

>> Ed Vitagliano: responsible. I just hope I can remain responsive.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Chris, good morning. Chris, good morning.

>> Christopher Woodward: I watched baseball.

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right, Watched baseball.

>> Christopher Woodward: Did.

>> Tim Wildmon: And Ray Pritchard. What'd you watch, Ray?

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, okay, we were in. We were watching some, I don't know, some reruns of some show last night. there's basketball, right. Aren't we in the playoffs? Yes, NBA playoffs. Big game I haven't seen. I don't think I've watched a minute of the NBA this year. But I know that there was some big game last night between the Knicks.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, the Knicks beat Celtics in game one of the series.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wasn't that.

>> Tim Wildmon: What?

>> Tim Wildmon: Didn't they come from behind?

>> Ed Vitagliano: You know, I was watching hockey.

>> Tim Wildmon: They did like 20 points behind. Yeah, here's the thing about it is the NBA, they play, seven months to eliminate four teams in the playoffs.

>> Christopher Woodward: I looked it up one time and did the math because Major League Baseball gets the knock because all the season is just so long. It's 162 games. And I looked it up and did the math and the basket. The NBA season is actually longer than Major League Baseball due in part To Major League Baseball wrapping up its postseason in like three weeks.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Christopher Woodward: And, and in the NBA, like, the playoffs start in April and it might be almost July, but it's like hockey.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Now to, hockey and base and basketball play the same number of games, 82 games. And their playoffs both start in April and, and sometime in June, sometimes late June.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right. All right, well, again, thanks for listening to the program. Everybody with Ray, give us a good word from the, Bible this morning.

How can you know God's will for your life? Read the Bible

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Of the questions people ask pastors, the number one question I think of Christians, church members, is always some variation of, lord, what do you want me to do? How can I know God's will for my life? I did a personal survey once of all the questions that people asked me over a six month period when I was in the pastorate in Chicago. And there were hundreds of questions and comments, but 90% of them, as I looked at it, were some variation of how can I know what God wants me to do? Well, I ended up writing a couple of books about that. Don't buy my books, folks, because I'm going to tell you the bottom line right here. Skip all that. I'm just going to tell you the bottom line right here. You don't need to read the book. Just take this one verse. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. That's Psalm 119, 105. Know these two things and you will be able to do God's will for your life. Number one, God's will comes from God's word. If you want to know God's will for your life, read the Bible. The Bible is a book of God's will. It'll tell you who God is. It'll tell you what God commands. It'll tell you what God forbids. It'll give you clear guidance for the decisions you face. So, number one, get yourself into the Word of God, and the more you are into the Word of God. Ah, let me rephrase that. The more the Word of God is in you, the more the Bible becomes a part of your life, the clearer it will become what God's will for you is. And the second thing is this. Thy word is a lamp into my feet and a light unto my path is the picture of a man going in the deepest of darkness in a dangerous forest. And there's a path that leads him to safety, but he's dark and he can't see. But as long as he has a lamp in his hands, the light shines and he can Move forward. But ask yourself a question. If it's really dark and you got a lamp, how many steps before you can you see? You can see usually one step. Step into the light God gives you, and the light moves forward. What is God's will for you today? God's will for you today is to get up and serve him with all your heart and all your soul and to serve him with great joy. Take this, the next step that God puts. And you know, Ed, what our problem is. I don't want to know the next step. I want to know five steps down the road.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: I want to know what's coming around the curve in the path. Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So you can prepare yourself for it. I remember, I m. Remember a preacher saying one time when you were talking about take taking a step. You need to be walking. is. He said it's easier to steer a, moving car. And I always, I always remember that. That goes back from the late, the early 80s. So you don't want to keep your car in park. You want to be doing. You want to be active for God with the Word in your heart. And then God will tell you what the next step is. And sometimes it's a surprise. Right? Sometimes it's unexpected. You know, what God asks you to do. and sometimes it goes right along with your, your gifts and your calling. And it's, it seems to, to make sense. But, I, like that I, I, the, the Word will help, you know, the will of God.

>> Tim Wildmon: Look, get in the Word and then get up every day and take the next step that God puts in front of you. Because you know what, Ed? There's always a next step in front of us. Our problem is sometimes we don't want to take it. Right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: We want some kind of guarantee. Get in the Word and take the next step. If you're in the Word and you're taking the next step in front of you, God will lead you from where you are to where he wants you to be.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Amen.

>> Tim Wildmon: That is the most important thing I know about knowing and doing the will of God.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That is good preaching. Thank you for that.

Keep believing Calm has a website called Discovering God's will

Now, is that something that folks can find on, Keep believing your website? Tell folks about your website.

>> Tim Wildmon: Absolutely. I've got a whole sermon on this called, how to know the will of God. If you come to keep believing dot com. You know, just come to keep believing. Find that, find a little search bar there and just type in God's will. You'll get a ton of stuff.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'VE read that. I've read your book on that. you have a. It's a, like a PDF form, isn't it?

>> Tim Wildmon: well, we've got it in PDF form. You can also, it's in print version from Crossway called Discovering God's will for your life. And then we've got a little booklet which may be the one you.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Five keys to discovering God's will. And that's available free from Keep believing Calm.

>> Ed Vitagliano: There you go, folks. Check that out.

>> Tim Wildmon: Amen.

Chris: We need to do some repenting, don't we

Well, Chris, is America living up to God's will?

>> Christopher Woodward: no.

>> Tim Wildmon: We need to do some repenting, don't we?

>> Christopher Woodward: We do. And also it would be good if people, got, you know, the swift kick in the pants they need, in churches and not bullet points on seven ways on how to have a great week or all that other stuff.

>> Ed Vitagliano: There's a combination. You went right for. Right for the right, for the heart of the issue.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yes. there is a reason why, we have problems. Ah. And we do need to, as Ray recommended, get in the word. the word, encourages me because oftentimes I have to deal with bad things and, bring them in. this one's not so.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're life choices we make, Chris. You can deal with happy things, you can deal with sad things.

>> Christopher Woodward: Very true.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, he is a newsman.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So he's going to be limited on the.

>> Tim Wildmon: He sees the dark side of mankind on a regular basis.

>> Christopher Woodward: I'm going to get, I'm going to get Brent to record me going. Now it's time for doom and gloom. And, you know.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Chris, what's our doom and gloom?

The Trump administration is offering to pay illegal immigrants to return home voluntarily

All right, so the lead officer with.

>> Christopher Woodward: Well, this one's not so terrible, but it is something that has upset some people, including Trump voters. the Trump administration, is offering to pay $1,000 to illegal immigrants, to return home voluntarily. In other words, illegal immigrants are being offered $1,000 US to self deport. Some people are not happy with this due to the large number of illegal immigrants in this country. But in a sound bite we can play here, we've got DHS Secretary Kristi Noem saying this is actually saving us money. Clip 2.

>> Kristi Noem: We spend about $17,000 arresting, detaining and deporting an illegal alien. Right now, today, if we have the opportunity to purchase a plane ticket and send someone home with a stipend like this, it saves us thousands and thousands of dollars. And it also is a much safer situation for officers and for those in communities.

>> Ed Vitagliano: All Right. So where have we heard this idea before? I think we heard it from me. I've been saying this for several years. Of course President Joe Biden didn't listen and I'm sure the.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, he paid them to come in.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, that's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Everybody who come across the border, we give you $1,000 in free medical, free medical care.

>> Ed Vitagliano: We'll educate your kids.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Y'all come gift card to your local fast food place. No, I always thought this was, this was a great idea. Now obviously the Trump administration wasn't listening to me, but this is a great idea because once you make it clear that that border is going to be shut down and that ICE is coming for you, M. All right, then what you do is you offer people this m, a, ah, stipend. I think that's the way she described it. And they, many will self deport because they realize we're going to get caught anyway and we're going to get sent home with nothing. This way, maybe you have two or three people, four people in your family, and you go back to a country like El Salvador or Venezuela with three or four thousand dollars in your pocket, so to speak, or get robbed. Maybe they can, maybe they can have a bank draft or something, I don't know. But, but anyway, that is going to be, I think, the best way to do it. And then for those who stubbornly want to stay, ICE will find you. Anyway, it's, I'm just, I'm just glad I could help. Yeah, I'm just glad I could.

>> Tim Wildmon: Thousand dollars. I don't think it's going to make much difference, but the offer is there.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, the negativity, the negativity, man. Well, actually I suggested more, but.

>> Tim Wildmon: So you think an illegal person is going to read a news flash to say, hey, hey, get the kids together, we're going back to Guatemala. Well, we're going to get $1,000 a person.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Look at it this way though. If you think you're going back anyway and you can get that money. I know, but that money will go pretty far. Guatemala.

>> Christopher Woodward: That's very true.

>> Ed Vitagliano: By a herd of goats.

>> Tim Wildmon: Anyway, what's your next story, Chris?

Ed: I think it's a gimmick. Tim: Yes. Ed: For 5 grand, I'll self deport

>> Christopher Woodward: All right.

>> Tim Wildmon: wait, Ray had comment.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, I just wanted to ask a question. So is this a thousand dollars a family or a thousand dollars a person?

>> Christopher Woodward: I believe it's thousand dollars a person. I'm going to double check because we've.

>> Tim Wildmon: Got some huge family. There you go. 8 or 9, 10 Ed, that's a pretty good piece of change when you.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Go into a country that's. Yes, very developed.

>> Christopher Woodward: the department said it has already paid for a plane ticket for one migrant to return home to Honduras from Chicago and said more tickets have been booked for this weekend next. So some people are taking idea.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, Debbie Downer, what are you gonna say about that?

>> Tim Wildmon: I think it's a gimmick.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, it's, it is.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, yes, it's a gimmick. Yes.

>> Christopher Woodward: Well, I mean, a thousand dollars, whether or not it's to one person or per family, that is a drop in bucket compared to what?

>> Tim Wildmon: 5,000 they'll start you, you might still get get some.

>> Christopher Woodward: I mean, like Biden was putting them up in five star hotels in Manhattan for $5,000.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Tim. I'll self deport, but I.

>> Tim Wildmon: Boom, boom, I'm out of here. 5 grand and I am mic drop.

>> Tim Wildmon: For 5 grand, I'll self deport.

>> Christopher Woodward: I will go back to Wells where my people came from.

CNN reporter asks Mexican drug cartel member how he feels about Trump comments

All right, all right. so the other story relates to illegal immigration. And I can do this in a couple of ways. CNN is being ridiculed, mocked, hammered. That's disappointing on social media because one of their reporters, through the help of a translator, did ask a Mexican drug cartel member how he felt about Donald Trump calling him and other cartel members terrorists. And I can play this audio. It will have, a man speaking Spanish to which we can come out of it. And I will translate what he said, because I've got the transcript here.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Wow, I didn't know you could do that.

>> Christopher Woodward: See?

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, what's the point in hearing it?

>> Christopher Woodward: Well, well, okay, point taken.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Fist bump there, man. That was good.

>> Christopher Woodward: So I'm going to play the sound bite because it does begin. It's 19 seconds. It's going to begin with the CNN reporter speaking in English, and phrasing the question to which you'll, get his answer in Spanish. And I'll come out and say what he say. clip three. I mean, according to the Trump administration, you are a terrorist. The cartels have been labeled a foreign terrorist organization. What do you make of that? What's your message to Donald Trump if he's watching this?

>> Tim Wildmon: so did Darth Vader invader invade our country?

>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Is that what happened here?

>> Ed Vitagliano: He was definitely illegal.

>> Tim Wildmon: You're going to be shipping him off.

>> Christopher Woodward: That was a lot of where do.

>> Tim Wildmon: We send Darth Vader?

>> Christopher Woodward: All right, so she asked.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You have failed me for the last time, Amanda.

>> Christopher Woodward: I found your faith, of your lack of faith disturbing. All right. so she said, what do you make of the situation? And he said in Spanish, well, the situation is ugly, but we have to eat. And she said, well, what's your message to Trump? He says, my message with respect to the President. According to him, he's looking out for his people, but the problem is the consumers are in the United States. If there weren't any consumers, we would stop. In other words, the people are buying our product. We're a business.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Okay, so is that, is that all he said?

>> Christopher Woodward: That's all? Yeah. We ended up bringing it down because the rest of it was in a language most people don't know. And that's fine.

CNN interviewed a Mexican drug cartel member who has killed American citizens

but I do have some audio here from Caroline Levitt responding to the fact that CNN would sympathize and ask questions to a Mexican drug cartel member. Clip for.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Well, it was fascinating to me, Sean. I was actually scrolling on Instagram when I came across this interview, and it stopped me in my tracks. Not just because they sat down with a member of a Mexican cartel that is now designated as a foreign terrorist organization by the United States government, but because of the nature of the questions of this notorious foreign, terrorist. It was a softball interview, giving a platform to a notorious drug cartel that has killed American citizens. I thought it was quite despicable. But again, this is just another reason why the trust in the legacy media is at an all time low amongst the American public.

>> Ed Vitagliano: listen, I understand the idea that the drug cartel kingpin, whoever he was, was saying in terms of the customers in the United States, but it's not like Americans started off by pounding on the door of, drug cartel members who were, you know, going to their shift at the local factory and demanded from them drugs. They were getting people hooked on drugs. and, and so there is blame on the cartel side and the drug dealer side. This is, I mean, listen, how many, episodes of Cops do you need to see? I mean, the offer drugs to kids to get them hooked and then they have permanent customers. So, yes, people are buying drugs here, but it's not like the cartels are blameless in this. And in any case, the only way to stop it is to try to cut it off at the source. And I agree with what the President does in designating these cartels as terrorists because they don't care how many Americans die. And so the fact that CNN interviewed to get their perspective is ludicrous.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah, it really shows you kind of the mindset, behind cnn, especially, in msnbc. and also it Gets to a bigger problem in our country and really the world. Nothing you do is ever your fault. It's always some, it's always something else. There's no, well, self accountability, Ray.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I mean, this bottom line, it's, you know, human beings are infected with the sin virus and that kind of spreads to the community. And there are dealers and there are purchasers and there's all kinds of things wrong. But government has the responsibility, according to Romans 13, to, to punish evil doing and to uphold what is good. And I think that's what President Trump is trying to do here.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, it is a problem of supply and demand. And as you said, the problem is inside the human heart. Right. And there's reasons people in situations turn to drugs, but that's not really what we're talking about here. We're talking about the drug dealers who've turned this into a multi billion dollar industry and are doing everything they can to, not just to sell to people who want it, but to entrap, young kids, teenagers in a lifestyle of drugs. Because when they trap them that way, they have them forever. It is a corrupting enterprise. And God bless Donald Trump for doing anything he can do and everything he can do to crack down on the.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Drug dealers they used to call drug pushers when I was growing up. That's because they're always.

>> Tim Wildmon: Better phrase.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, it's a better phrase. They were always encouraging people like this drug dealer. If, if Americans stop buying, he's going to go get a shift at the local Chipotle. I mean, come on. They are going to m. Try to make sure that that lucrative business that preys upon the weaknesses of human beings, like they're not going to try to, increase their sales. It's, it's a corrupt business. Like any other business. It has a model. And that model includes getting new customers and keeping old ones.

>> Tim Wildmon: Look, the drug trafficking and the prostitution and the sex trafficking, it all goes together, right? It is wicked. And, you know, I hear people throw around the phrase from the pit of hell, sometimes a little casually, if you want to, if you want to find an industry that is truly born from the pit of hell, it is the illegal drug industry. And these drug, the drug pushers. Yes, let's do whatever it takes to get them out of this country to protect our children and the most vulnerable people among us.

>> Ed Vitagliano: let me just toss this other thing in there because this, this really fries me. Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: These drug fries and drugs.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know if that's a good meal.

>> Ed Vitagliano: This, this really frosts me. How's that?

>> Tim Wildmon: That's better.

>> Ed Vitagliano: these drug cartels, they kill cops, they cut people's heads off, they terrorize communities, they bribe judges and officials in Mexico and anywhere they can. When they take over apartment buildings in Aurora, Rora, Colorado, they terrorize people. So this guy makes it seem like, listen, if you all just stop buying, we will gladly stop selling.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: This, these are criminal enterprises. They don't care about the consequences. They don't care who dies, and they don't care who stands in their way. And that's why the president's called them terrorists.

>> Tim Wildmon: So. So in case anybody wonders about where we stand, we hate these people. We hate what they do. We hate.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes. I hope they get saved. That, that could happen. I don't want to die in their sins, but.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: If anybody's ever seen a, family affected by drug addiction.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, you would. Your heart breaks and you just see the pain that it causes. and oftentimes it ends in tragedy, you know, but some. Anyway, it's, something we need to work on from both sides. The people who are buying the drugs and.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And some of them addicts, a lot of them addicts, and then the people that are selling it inside the country. So.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And by the way, I do, I do want to make sure our listeners understand I think our country is going to have to take time and money and make available to people the help they need if they're addicted. I am not callous towards their, their suffering. They, A lot of times when these people become addicts, they need help, and our country is going to have to help them, even though it's, it's their fault for getting addicted. So I don't want anyone to think that my, the kind of harsh words towards the suppliers indicates that, Listen, like I said, I hope these drug dealers all come to Jesus. and, and, and, and good, good people need Jesus just as much as bad people. We all need Jesus. So I don't want anyone to misinterpret what I'm saying, but for CNN to air this, that just goes to further demonstrate the absolute corruption of the mainstream news media. To, to even entertain an interview with someone like that and then to air it, is painful to listen to.

We'll be back momentarily with more of today's issues on the American Family Radio Network

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, let's go ahead and take our break right here.

>> Ed Vitagliano: sermon time's over.

>> Tim Wildmon: When we get back. Well, that's a good one. We get back, we got more, more bad news, more happy.

>> Christopher Woodward: You have some happy things.

>> Tim Wildmon: Good. You got some happy news.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Happy I'm happy to hear that.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, we'll be back momentarily with more of today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Stay with us.

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Tim Wildman: We are talking about our Holy Land trip in 2026

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr. I'm Tim Wildmon with Ed Intagliano and Chris Woodward and Ray Pritchard. Hey, we are going to the Holy Land in March. And, that's March of 2026. and, be our 20, I don't know, somewhere between 25 and 30, about 27 or 28th trip to Israel. and we are excited about it. The dates are. We've got the dates. We got the price. We got the, itinerary. We got the pictures. We get everything available at our website. So if that's something you've wanted to do, go to the Holy Land and you want to go on our tour, then, check it out. It, that's again, that's March in 2026. Like in 10 months from now. 10 or 10 months or so from now. That's, If you want to find out more information, go to wildman group.com wildmon m. Group.com wildmon.group.com wildmangroup.com also we have information there on the trip that Wesley and Walker are leading, which is the Footsteps of Paul. That's going to.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That sounds exciting.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, the Footsteps of Paul tour, which is mostly Greece, places mentioned in the Bible.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Paul's, Paul's journey, missionary journeys.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So that's there. That information on that tour is available too. If you want to do both those tours, you can do that. We've arranged for people to do that I'm talking about because they're back to back. So again the website to for all the information is wild w I l d m m o n group.com and we are talking about our Holy Land trip in March of 2026.

>> Ed Vitagliano: W I l d m m o n wildman group.com.com. all right, so that would be a two, week. So if you want a two week visit.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Focusing on the Bible, you could do Israel and the Footsteps of Paul back to back.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. So check it out at that website.

If you're told you can't do something, you should consider legal assistance

Chris, what's your next story?

>> Christopher Woodward: Well, I promised I would have some good news.

>> Tim Wildmon: You promise?

>> Christopher Woodward: Yes, this is me. Promises made, promises kept. Okay, I'm going to coin that phrase because nobody ever uses that. but yeah, this is all the more reason why if you're a person of faith and you're told you can't do that, you should consider legal assistance. And I say that because an elementary school teacher in Utah will be able to have her prayer chain for herself and other teachers there at her school in Utah, thanks to help from attorney Keisha, Russell at First Liberty. In this clip I'm about to call for Keisha explains to AFN what happened.

>> Tim Wildmon: Clip 6 Taryn Israelson wanted to post a sign in the lounge that just said, hey, if you want prayer, please text me and I'll, add you to my prayer chain. And she was told by the principal she couldn't do that. So First Liberty wrote a letter on her behalf explaining the law to the district, basically that if they're going to allow other people to post things in that break room that they cannot tell Karen she can't post anything religious. And so the district said they were going to investigate, look into it. And ultimately they said that they are going to put a bulletin board in that break room and allow the employees to post any, private messages on that bulletin board. So that is an acceptable response for us and for Taryn. And so we were able to settle it without Litigation.

>> Christopher Woodward: Now, I bring this in because oftentimes, too often I would say people get a letter or they're told by their employer a person of faith is, you can't do this. It's not how we do things. You're not allowed, whatever. And they go, okay. Or they think, well, I'm never going to be able to win. This is going to take too much time. I can't afford it. There are a number of law firms out there. First Liberty is one of many examples that will help people in this situation. And you know, this is in Utah. It's not California, or Illinois or Massachusetts. There's a lot of people of faith in Utah. And it just goes to show that even local governments will try to tell you things. And they're not right, which is why you need to get an attorney.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Sometimes they're ignorant about what the law says. And Ray, I mean, as far as I know, the, the, the way the law reads is that if, if you have a bulletin board, that's only school stuff, okay, Nobody can post anything that's personal or outside of work. But if it's, if you allow people to post movie night, they got to be able to post something.

>> Tim Wildmon: If you're going to say, come to my yoga class or here, dog walking class, right? Or learn how to play the ukulele, fine. Then on then along with the ukulele, we ought to be able to say, would you like somebody to pray for you? And with you that's perfectly legal. And I'll tell you what encourages me about this, is that sometimes all it takes is a concerned person, a concerned citizen, a concerned parent, a student, somebody to speak out. Somebody spoke out, contacted First Liberty, they wrote one letter, and one letter solved the problem. Avoid the expense of a lawsuit. You know, I think, I think if more people would just speak out, we would see more victories like this around the country. So this is Chris. This is some good news from Utah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, and I'll say this too, that the early decisions in 1962 and 63 regarding school prayer in school and the Bible in school, there were, ah, some Supreme Court cases before that. But this has been a long battle to get religious liberty restored in part in our public school system. And to your point, Ray, it is because Christians didn't just sit there and take it. And because of law firms, Christian law firms that will often take these cases for free, pro bono, and groups like ours that mention these stories on American Family News or sometimes we'll put out, action alerts through AFA Insider so that people start to call, they start to, stand up for their rights. That is how we've started getting more clarity on the religious liberty front. You know, in August, we're going to have the Truth for Youth Bible campaign again. A lot of people didn't even know that a student giving a Bible to another student was legal until people stood up for the constitutional rights they still have. And so, that's part of why we exist is to, is to educate, equip and activate Christians to get involved in the culture.

I think it's possible that we might land on Mars someday

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. You guys think we're going to go to, we humans are going to go to Mars soon?

>> Christopher Woodward: I wouldn't say soon, but at some point we will.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I think it's possible that we might land. I'm just going to be honest, and I like science fiction. I'm just not sure that that's possible to pull off with the cost it is so far to get there. And you, know, once people land there and start trying to set up a compound, there's. There's no rescue like Elon Musk did with the folks, the two astronauts that were stranded in space. You're just there on Mars. I think it's all right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Let me. The reason I brought.

Elon Musk says SpaceX Starship will depart for Mars in 2026

I'd like to raise thoughts here of the reason I brought this up. Elon Musk wrote in a post on his social media platform X in mid March that a SpaceX Starship, that's his company, will depart for the red planet Mars at the end of 2026, carrying Optimus, Tesla's humanoid robot. So a robo, a rope, humanoid robots. Going up to. Going to, You go over to Mars. You go up to Mars.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, both.

>> Tim Wildmon: You go up and.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, I've got to get up and then.

>> Tim Wildmon: Are you going down to Mars? Is Mars down south?

>> Tim Wildmon: Turn right in the solar system?

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Turn right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Turn right when you see the moon.

>> Tim Wildmon: Moon, turn hard right.

>> Christopher Woodward: No, wait, you get to Jupiter. You've gone just a bit too far.

>> Tim Wildmon: Have I got this right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Anyway, turn on Siri and just follow the Siri direction.

>> Tim Wildmon: You go to Venus. You've gone too far.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. Venus is the rock.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You've turned wrong direction, turned left. I will say this.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hold on. Okay, then. And then, So Musk predicted that if the missions go well, humans could start landing on Mars as soon as 2029. Although 2031, he said, is more Likely.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay. Yeah. I think it. Like I said, I think it's possible for humans to land on Mars.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: But. But in terms of colonizing Mars. Now, I will say this. If they find a way to be able to extract water, if they find that there is still water on Mars, and they find out a technological way to extract water, that is One of the huge obstacles to having human colonies on Mars is having.

>> Tim Wildmon: There's only so much dust on. You can put on a.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That's exactly. You can't run out of water or oxygen.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Christopher Woodward: By the way, Musk is. He must be a Transformers fan, because the name of their robot. Yeah, yeah, Optimus Prime.

>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, it's a crazy idea. First of all, don't doubt. Don't doubt that Elon Musk and his people are going to send the robot up there. Maybe people are going to go. But you know, Ed, your word. That word colony, you know, that's like a word from science fiction. A colony on Mars. So, Ed, would you consider getting a timeshare on Mars? No.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Absolutely not.

>> Tim Wildmon: We can make you a deal right now, today.

>> Ed Vitagliano: First of all, I don't even want to move to Minnesota, by the way.

>> Christopher Woodward: Way off the port to Mars.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And by the way, someone who's listening, said. Texted, and he said, turn right at the Dollar General.

>> Tim Wildmon: There you go.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And you're on your way to Mars.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So listen, you don't want me. I'm. I'm not the kind of person who thinks big like Elon Musk. I guess if there's anyone who can figure out a way to do it, he will. and maybe there are. Maybe there's supplies of minerals there. But see that. That's all those. All those obstacles have to be. Have to be conquered and overcome. If there are minerals on Mars, you have to figure you can't put them on a transport ship, and then. Then you get them to the US or you get them. What are you going to have bases on. On the moon? Is.

>> Tim Wildmon: Is Amazon. Will Amazon deliver to Mars?

>> Ed Vitagliano: How do you. How do you. How do you make the mineral delivery? You're going to do that. and so maybe 100 years from now, you can figure out technological ways to do that, but I won't be here.

>> Christopher Woodward: It's. It's very interesting.

The Ark encounter in Northern Kentucky will host three of America's astronaut heroes

>> Tim Wildmon: Dear Elon, we're talking about space. Ed Battagliano says, no way, Jose.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, Visionary Ed Vitagliano says, you ain't doing squat.

>> Tim Wildmon: Call me back in 100 years.

>> Christopher Woodward: it's interesting that we started talking about space because that's where I was going next. this July, July 12, as a matter of fact, the Ark encounter in Northern Kentucky will host three of America's astronaut heroes. One of them was one of the, no, she's not going to be there. But Captain Barry Wilmore, who spent far more time stuck in space than Katy Perry ever did, he's going to be one of the astronauts there, as is, Colonel Jeffrey Williams. He made many trips to space over his career. And then, General Charlie Duke, he's one of the men that walked on the moon. There's only like four guys still with us that walked on the moon. and I've got some audio here from Ken Ham on American Family Radio talking about the Ark encounter and this event that they're branding the astronaut encounter. clip nine.

>> Speaker J: I met Barry many, many years ago and I've spoken with him in Mexico and he's been involved in Christian missions of getting Bibles to people in the Amazon and speaking in prisons, around the world and speaking for answers in Genesis, speaking here at our conferences. And then I also was able to meet Charlie Duke. Now, Charlie Duke, he's only one of 12 men who walked on the moon. He was the youngest astronaut ever to walk on the moon. And he's only one of four still alive that walked on the moon. And he's a wonderful Christian man and does, speaking. He became an on fire Christian after the Apollo 16 mission. And then there was Colonel Jeff Williams, who I met, who's, a retired astronaut and he has more photographs in space than any other astronaut and he's published them in a book. And he's a wonderful Christian involved in Christian ministry.

>> Christopher Woodward: I do have to say that, Ken is wanting people to register for this event. So do go online, just Google or whatever, web search astronaut encounter at the Ark and you'll find that information.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So the guy who was stranded up in space, he's a strong Christian?

>> Christopher Woodward: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right.

>> Christopher Woodward: And that was Ken Ham talking to the stand radio on AFR. You can find the podcast on AFR.net.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network.

Tim Ferriss: Elon Musk has developed a humanoid robot for Mars mission

so just to be wrapped us up on the Mars thing, here we go. Folks, I'm fascinated by this because Elon Musk is one of those people and they're extremely rare where you go. At least I do. When he says something that sounds outlandish, I still pay attention to it because he's accomplished, outlandish things in his career.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so. And he's not one to He deals in, he deals in what he knows too. And so they do, they do have a humanoid reason. They call it a. By they. I'm talking about his company which is Starlink, not. His company's called Anyway, whatever his rocket company is called. What's it called? SpaceX. SpaceX. Yeah. Anyway, they've developed this this robot that looks like a. You know, it's got two arms, two legs, a head and a torso. I mean, looks like a human. Yeah, that's why they call it a. So they developed this and so they're

>> Ed Vitagliano: That is cool.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, that's, that's the robot they're going to send up in the ship going to Mars.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. And then what's going to happen is those robots that you, that you just showed me the picture of, they're going to build a colony up there and then in 25 years they will invade Earth.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're not going to wait. They're not going to wait 25 years. Yeah. Anyway, 10 years.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, he's. They're going to send this in the end of 2026. well, look, we'll see if that happens or not.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I am not a visionary. I'm the guy who would have told Christopher Columbus, don, we even bother. You're never going to find a, a trade route. It's a waste of time.

>> Christopher Woodward: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Nobody's ever done it. No one's going to do it. So I'm sure Elon's not going to listen to the likes of me.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: but I have read because I do write a little bit of science fiction and I, I have studied a lot of this. That doesn't make me an expert. I'm just saying the obstacles to overcome are serious and profound. But to your point, Tim, if anyone's going to pull it off, it's going to be Elon Musk. So I just go for it.

>> Tim Wildmon: The journey of a million miles starts.

>> Tim Wildmon: With just with just one robot.

>> Tim Wildmon: With just one robot. And so got to keep that in mind.

>> Ed Vitagliano: With just one self aware sentient robot. as long as I don't bring back any. I'm not even going to get.

>> Tim Wildmon: Bring back what?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Like if they find, if they find some eggs somewhere, I'm just going leave it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Leave the eggs.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Leave the eggs.

>> Christopher Woodward: I saw that movie once with Sigourney Weaver.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, that's what I was.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, I thought tar going.

>> Christopher Woodward: And that was a human. That was a humanoid Robot she hated.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Exactly right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Going Jurassic park on me there. Oh, you're going Ghostbusters.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Alien.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Movie. Oh, Alien. Okay.

>> Christopher Woodward: I can sympathize and relate to you not being a visionary because many years ago when PapaJohns.com started telling people, hey, get online and order your pizza, I was like, that is the dumbest thing in the world. If you're holding your phone in your hand, just call the pizza guy.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Christopher Woodward: And now we order ahead on the app so that way we don't have to, you know, it's just all kinds of things. I was clearly not in that boat.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, forward thinkers. And they're rare.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And they're rare for a reason.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

Chris: How long would it take for humans to get to Mars

All right, next story.

>> Christopher Woodward: Chris, I did, I did look it up a minute ago, if anybody's curious. Mars is only 137.72 million miles away from Earth.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Christopher Woodward: So just a short trip.

>> Tim Wildmon: How many miles was just a simple.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Metaphor and nowhere to pull over.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: if you want to stretch your.

>> Tim Wildmon: Legs, so turn right at the Dollar general, don't turn left or you will make a big well.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And, and you know, one of the things we, we saw, Chris, look up how long it would take to get for humans to get to Mars. Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: But here, here's the humans is go. Humans aren't going.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, that, that is, that absolutely is Elon Musk's idea.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Is ultimately to get humans to, to Mars and to establish a colony. But the point I want to make before you give the answer to that question, Chris, is that the nine months that, that those two astronauts were stuck in space, they talked about how not having that gravity here on Earth can be bad for your bones. I mean there are, there are biological, issues that develop on a long journey for humans to Mars. So what would, would you find out?

>> Christopher Woodward: All right, so I do a web search. How long would it take for humans to get to Mars? And artificial intelligence is telling me that a one way trip to Mars could take astronauts anywhere from seven to 10 months, depending on the trajectory and propulsion methods used. A round trip, including time on the Martian surface and the return journey to Earth could take between two and three years.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, that's quicker than I thought.

>> Christopher Woodward: I thought so too.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'll be honest.

>> Christopher Woodward: I've always envisioned like it's up there for like two years and you, you hop out of the spaceship and you've got like a big beard.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, nobody signing up for that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, somebody will something. Yeah. If, if they get, I think what Elon Musk is thinking is that you get robots. You could have robots.

>> Tim Wildmon: Robots, yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Set up living quarters. and you know, water, you know, some, something to maybe extract water, Those kinds of things.

>> Tim Wildmon: How in the world would you control robots before people get there from Earth on Mars?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, you have to program them to do certain tasks.

>> Tim Wildmon: I can do that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: I can do the programming to do carbon tasks. It's just their attitude, you know what I'm saying?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, yeah, you can that, make work. Even robots, they don't, they don't appreciate.

>> Tim Wildmon: That or they just, you know, don't listen to you.

>> Christopher Woodward: 40 and 50 years ago, it was not uncommon where you saw something advertised on television with so called space age technology. Yeah, like now we're going to technology and whatnot.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. All right, well, we'll see whether it happens. I mean, the 2026 is a year and a half from now. He's saying that they're going to launch a robot to Mars.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, and it looked like from the picture you had.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Those robots are already create.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. You can look it up.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Where was this article?

>> Tim Wildmon: I found it on Fox.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, maybe we can, post that so folks can take a look at the,

Georgia governor Brian Kemp has decided not to run for Senate

>> Tim Wildmon: Meanwhile, back here on Earth, Brian, Kemp, the governor of Georgia, has decided not to run for Senate, which is a big blow to the Republican Party.

>> Christopher Woodward: Link for you.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And, and let me tell you here, this Mars thing, you get, you get Brian Kemp on Mars.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that's what he said. He said, I, instead of quota, instead of running for Senate, I would rather go to Mars.

>> Christopher Woodward: Hey, no joke. This may be something that Brian and Stacy might agree on because she's a big Star Trek fan. Abrams.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I don't think it's necessary to make fun of her.

>> Christopher Woodward: No, no, no, I'm saying she might be into, you know.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, you said she was a big star. Never mind, I misunderstood.

>> Christopher Woodward: She's a Trekkie is what I'm trying to.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: Tricky. Okay. Which is Star Trek fan.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: listen, so, you aware of that situation over in Georgia? Right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I was reading about it. So Brian Kemp was going to win. Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's two time governor.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. And very popular. Very. And he, and he and Trump, you know, they had a falling out, then they patched it back up and I think, I think Trump wanted him to run. So some people say he's not going to run for the Senate because he wants to make a run for the White House in 28. Who knows.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, is that right? Is that what this, that's what people are saying.

>> Christopher Woodward: Well, okay, first man since Carter from Georgia if he were to win.

>> Tim Wildmon: So who's, who's the best candidate if he's not?

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so Georgia is, has always been a conservative state. and statewide Republicans have always done well since the 70s, so. Well, maybe 80s since Reagan, but now, the Democrat Party has won two state, wide elections for the Senate, you know, seats. they narrowly beat the Republican candidates, but they still did do that. But I think it's Republicans for the taking if they have a halfway decent candidate. And Brian Kemp certainly was more than halfway decent. He was a twice elected governor and a popular governor of the state of Georgia. And he, he, he probably would have been favored to win that senate seat against. What's the fellow's name here?

>> Christopher Woodward: John Ossoff.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Who's the Democrat over there? So I don't know. you're right to your point. I don't know enough about yet. About. I'll find out and ask some friends about who in Georgia would be next up.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, for Senate, well, the name that was kicked around in one story I read was Marjorie Taylor Greene, but she does not poll well against statewide.

>> Tim Wildmon: Statewide, she's a congresswoman from a certain part of Georgia.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right. But now Brian. But Camp did poll well against Ossoff and Marjorie Taylor Greene did not. So I'm not sure who, what Republican.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's an important state. you know, well, every state's important, but that's an important race because that's one of those where you go if the Republicans don't get the Senate seat back.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: You're like going, that's an upset.

>> Tim Wildmon: Because that is basically a red state. Despite the fact that Atlanta has taken in so many, people from around the country and internationally that it's kind of, it's, it's made Georgia, a purple state in statewide elections.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: So. All right. You're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Well, there's the music. And Chris, thank you for your contributions. Thank you, Ed. Ray and yours truly will be back with Steve Paisley Jordal in just a few minutes here on today's issues for this Tuesday, May 6th.

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