>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: So welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Ed, Fred. And, now joining us in studio, Steve Paisley Jordan. Good morning, brother Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Good morning, everybody.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Steve, can I ask you something? You may, since Tim gave you and it is now your nickname.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yep, I hear it all.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Steve Paisley Jordal. Does that put you under? Because you come in just about every day with a paisley shirt. Do you feel pressure now to live up to the nickname?
>> Steve Jordahl: I rotate them. I don't have enough to wear paisley every day. so listen, the guy pays my salary. I'm. Go ahead and lean into it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Lean into it.
>> Tim Wildmon: You got to create your own, your own line of a page.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The Steve Paisley Jordal collection.
>> Steve Jordahl: There you go. I mean, if it works for, like, you know, I just.
>> Tim Wildmon: First time I saw Steve and then he had the paisley, I was like, I didn't know anybody that wore paisley anymore.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, like, it's. It's.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, some screams 70s, but some people must, because these are shirts that he wears.
>> Tim Wildmon: Retro.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know. Paisley may still be popular, so.
>> Steve Jordahl: I don't know. I. I think it started when I first started here. For some reason, I. I remember why I did it, but, I wore tie almost every day. Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I remember that.
>> Steve Jordahl: And, I was trying to lead by example. No one was following, so I figured, you know, let's just do that. But a lot of the ties paisley, and I think that might have started it, but no, you know, I do. We have visitors that come through. We have visitors that come through the studios every time. And they do. Yeah, they do. go ahead.
>> Ed Vitagliano: If you're trying to lead by example, wearing a tie, that was kind of a fool's errand around here.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, you know, we try. We do our best.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Tim said in the wake of COVID when everyone. When everything was relaxed, our dress code relaxed here. And Tim said one time, he said, I guess you can wear anything but pajamas here.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, I remember at this. I don't. Maybe I've told this before, but when I was working for Focus, when I first started, the dress code was a shirt and tie. Yeah. ah, you have to wear the jacket inside the office. But it was.
>> Tim Wildmon: That was every. You, know, a lot of people remember that back, back not too long ago.
>> Steve Jordahl: I started there in 2002 and everything. Here's what changed our dress code at Focus when People who, with Focus started appearing on national news, like Fox, who do hits on whatever, and they had to dress down to go on national television because it was a blazer and shirt with no tie.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: The, the powers would be, I think it was. Doc even said, well, maybe we're push a little too hard if you have to dress down to go on national television.
>> Ed Vitagliano: listen, in terms of, dressing up, a shirt with no tie and a suit coat is. That's, that's nice. I think that looks good.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's business.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But I, is. And when I went to an all boys Catholic high school, ah, it was suit coat and tie.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And every day. Every day. And, in the ministry a lot with suit coat and tie. but now I would pay someone to not have to wear a tie.
>> Steve Jordahl: I, just had a collection of them that I like.
>> Tim Wildmon: Are you interested in this? Like I am? I don't even know if we need to be here, Fred. Okay, y' all keep on going. Go ahead.
One last thing. I got some more fashion commentary. Have beer, but let me just say this one thing
>> Steve Jordahl: One last thing.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Wiping the floor with me when I.
>> Steve Jordahl: Was at, when I was at Focus, down the street from us was Compassion International. They had their headquarters there. They had the same dress code we do, except they instituted what they called a Casual Friday. But you had to buy in. In other words, they had some, nonprofits that they helped, support. They had some initiatives that they want to support. If you wanted to pay 10 bucks toward whatever initiative that Compassion, had going, you got to wear jeans and a nice jeans and a shirt, $40 a month if you wanted to. You don't have to.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's voluntary, though.
>> Steve Jordahl: But, yeah, but they, but they decided to make a fundraiser out of it. Casual Friday.
>> Fred Jackson: Volunteer extortion.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's what sounds like, you know.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so, yeah, if you were to, if you look at pictures from pre. Probably 10 years ago, 15 years ago at least, then, it's the, the, the way. Especially men, I guess women too, because women, they just like, where are the leggings, all the time now. The, what do you call it? Lululemon, that's like Lululemon. Lululemon is like a big international brand.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Is it? Okay, you had me. Lululemon.
>> Tim Wildmon: You've never heard of it?
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I, I, I tell, I tell waitresses, when they ask me what I want to drink, I'll tell them water with no Lululemon.
>> Steve Jordahl: Written in seashells in the sand on your walk.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's a big clothing line for women.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay. Especially, basically tights.
>> Tim Wildmon: Especially the leggings.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Anyway, but that just goes along with the way that our, Our, clothing has been. Become more casual in our everyday, life experience.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, I'm just gonna say this. Okay.
>> Fred Jackson: And I, I just remember growing up, 60s, in our church, this is, you know, the acceptable for men.
>> Steve Jordahl: Oh, yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: Dark suits, only white shirts. If you wore a colored shirt, you were gone.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Liberal, right?
>> Fred Jackson: I mean, that liberal. Yeah. Really, it was, it was only white shirts, and it was really pressing the envelope when, when a pastor came into the pulpit with a blue shirt with a tie on.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, wow.
>> Fred Jackson: Oh, yeah. In the 60s.
>> Tim Wildmon: 60S.
>> Fred Jackson: It was really strict.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: do you remember watching, like, baseball?
>> Tim Wildmon: You didn't go to church back then, right? You really didn't because your family weren't Christians?
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, we didn't go to church.
>> Steve Jordahl: You ever seen pictures of people attending baseball games in the 50s? Like major league baseball games?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Suit coat and tie, a hat and.
>> Tim Wildmon: A cigarette and a beer.
>> Steve Jordahl: I don't know if he maybe didn't.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Have beer, but let me just say this, this one thing, and then we probably should. We probably should move on.
>> Tim Wildmon: I got some more fashion commentary.
>> Ed Vitagliano: My wife. This just shows to me what, how, how the, the dress code has degenerated and I fully participated. Is it. My wife will. Sometimes we're leaving the house and she does the leggings now she has a long top.
>> Tim Wildmon: They're probably Lulu Lemons, if you ask her.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And. And she'll walk out and sometimes she'll say, oh, my goodness, I still have my slippers on, my house shoes on. And she goes in and changes, and when she comes back out, I go, how are those not slippers that you're wearing? The, the things they wear on their feet. I go, that's a. Slippers. No, this is not. That was. I took off my house shoes. They're flats, they're flat.
>> Tim Wildmon: Or baby mama shoes. What I call them.
>> Steve Jordahl: I don't even know what that means.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Baby mama shoes.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'll explain it to you later.
Steve: I think the switch from the tucked in shirt to the untucked
All right, listen, one other thing, okay. Because what really changed about among men, a lot of men, not all men, but the switch from the tucked in shirt to the untucked shirt.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: And I think that was a big breakthrough in the human race.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I do too.
>> Tim Wildmon: Because,
>> Ed Vitagliano: Fist bump you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Huh? Because, you can come to. If I were dressed like I am right now with my shirt hanging out, which you guys, everybody but Steve does, and you were to come in 20 years ago, you'd have been sent home.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes. It was against the dress code here.
>> Tim Wildmon: Looking like A slouch like you've been on a three day drunk or something. You know what I'm saying? My dad would been, ah, sent home. my dad. My dad, of course he passed away a couple years ago at age 85. But of course he would. He. He was a pastor.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And grew up in the 50s. Born in 1938, grew up in the 50s and 60s, became a pastor. So he, he didn't always wear a suit and. A suit and tie. Yes. For, for preaching on Sunday morning.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: But during the week he would often wear, he would often wear a tie with a, with a short, maybe a shirt here to work. And he wore a tie almost every day, didn't he?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, he did.
>> Tim Wildmon: Or a time most every day. That's where we parted ways. That's when I'm not like my father because I hated ties.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I do, I hate them.
>> Tim Wildmon: I hate them. So, so ties now and suits are only reserved for like you know, graduate maybe? No, not even graduation.
>> Ed Vitagliano: well, I went to, I went to the. The wedding.
>> Tim Wildmon: A funeral or a wedding?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, I went a couple of weeks ago. One of our co workers, his daughter got married. I went to that and I had a suit, coat and tie on.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Did you have to perform there?
>> Ed Vitagliano: No.
>> Steve Jordahl: Okay, last comment on.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, go.
>> Steve Jordahl: A little bit of it has to do with necessity, the untucked thing. Back in the 50s most men were svelte enough that to wear a shirt, tuck it in wasn't an issue. Right now sometimes it's hard for me to tuck a shirt in.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: It.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just join us, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes, I know.
>> Tim Wildmon: Join the movement.
Arthur, who did precept Bible study, passed away yesterday at 91
>> Steve Jordahl: All right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Hey, the dark side.
>> Tim Wildmon: Go.
>> Steve Jordahl: We've got some, some sad news to report. yesterday K. Arthur, the Bible study woman, who did precept Bible study, passed away 91 years old. the family is going to have a private memorial service, but it will be live streamed. Details will be out. forthcoming key Arthur passing away yesterday.
>> Tim Wildmon: Private live streamed.
>> Steve Jordahl: A private memorial service. You won't be.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: Okay, so we build a watch on.
>> Tim Wildmon: I got you because. Okay. She was a wonderful lady who God reached down. And I met her on several occasions over the years. You probably did too, Fred.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes, sir.
>> Tim Wildmon: And her ministry was based out of Chattanooga. Precepts, for life. Precepts.
>> Steve Jordahl: Precepts for living case.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Anyway, she, her Bible study, which was. It was used by particularly women all over the world. I mean it was extremely popular. Kay, Arthur. And so what age was she?
>> Fred Jackson: 91.
>> Tim Wildmon: 91 years old. I probably met her 30 years ago for the first time. And, so sad, sad news. But we know where she went. She went to heaven. Straight to heaven.
>> Fred Jackson: I used to hear her speak at national, religious broadcast. It was their convention. And she would often speak at the Israel breakfast that they had there because she was a strong, strong supporter of Israel. In fact, if I remember correctly, she did some of her videotaped Bible studies in Israel in Jerusalem has a backdrop to it. So, much respect, much love, lady in the Christian community.
>> Steve Jordahl: also should mention probably that, in Congress, Democrat representative of Virginia, Gerry Connolly has passed away. Sitting representative, ranking, member of the House Oversight Committee, has passed away.
>> Tim Wildmon: That I never heard of him.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, and also yesterday, George, went, who is, Cheers? He was Norm. Norm Peterson.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, the tv.
>> Ed Vitagliano: On the TV show, the sitcom,
>> Steve Jordahl: Cheers, they say these things happened in three, which, you know, now I feel a little more comfortable today.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Steve Jordahl: but, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, Norm, what happens in 3?
>> Steve Jordahl: Deaths, celebrity deaths. Is that true? I've just heard that. I've just.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's what they. Well, you can't question they.
>> Steve Jordahl: No, they. They are always right.
The FDA has released some new protocols for the COVID vaccine
>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, next story.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, the department of the federal fda, Food and Drug Administration has released some new protocols for the COVID vaccine. So you will remember that, during the Biden administration and the pandemic, the Biden administration put out what Fred and I discussed yesterday are requirements. they. I told Fred they would have had to tie me to a chair, literally forced the shot on me. So how can you call a requirement? Then he reminded me, well, you lost your job in the military if you didn't take it. So, anyway, the requirements under the Biden administration have been loosened now, and they are no longer recommending, or requiring Covid vaccines for anybody under 65, unless you're a young person with a, disease or condition that would contribute to Covid being more fatal to you or more detrimental to you. And, so they have rolled, that back. I talked yesterday to, Dr. Peter McCullough, who's with the McCullough foundation, who's kind of been at the forefront of looking at this vaccine. And I got to tell you, what he said, shocked me a little bit, and I'm going to play a little bit of this. Dr. McCullough will be testifying, today in about, two hours.
>> Tim Wildmon: Dr. McCullough will be tested.
>> Steve Jordahl: Just defy you.
>> Tim Wildmon: And you said ifying. Okay, never mind.
>> Steve Jordahl: He'll Be in front of the Senate, House Homeland Security Committee talking about these things. And one of the things he's going to be talking about is the death rate from the COVID vaccine. And this really kind of shook me a little bit when I heard this. So apparently the vaccine, not only because we've been hearing stories about it causing heart murmurs and myocarditis, myocarditis, sometimes some brain, blood clots and that kind of stuff. Listen to what he said when he talks about maybe it was even worse than that. Cut 13 at this point in time, this change is long overdue. In fact, it lags the present data that indicate the COVID 19 vaccine should be removed from the market completely. We're approaching 20,000 deaths reported to the US CDC vaccine adverse, event reporting system at a conservative underreporting factor of 30. That means 600,000Americans have lost their lives due to the COVID 19 vaccine. The vaccine, not Covid itself. I looked up, I wanted to look up and see how many Americans died of COVID And according to the statistics that are kept officially, it was 1.1 million. I wanted to run that number by Dr. McCullough yesterday after I talked to him. So I didn't record this part just to do a fact check on it. because I wondered if some of the deaths from the vaccine lumped in with the deaths from COVID this is what he said. Anybody that had Covid and died, you could have been shot in a robbery. If you had Covid, it would have been listed as a COVID death. So the numbers that are official statistics of COVID deaths of 1.1 million are vastly, according to Dr. McCullough, vastly over reported. The deaths from the vaccine are vastly, according to Dr. McCullough underreported the numbers. By his count, 600,000 dead because of the vaccine, 100,000 dead because of the actual virus.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So that, that is, those are numbers that Dr. Peter McCullough. McCullough has come up with. Is, is he going to be using those in testimony today?
>> Steve Jordahl: He will be.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So those are numbers. The 600,000 that he says was the actual number of those who died because they got the vaccine.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yep.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Reactions to the vaccine, etc, and then the hundred thousand dead because of COVID that is a number that he has, he's pared down the estimates of those who died from COVID because of the over inflation. That of those numbers that had been used by, by the US government and others in the media.
>> Steve Jordahl: Now I am relying on him for the Degree of over, representation, but I think it's fairly commonly known, among conservatives, certainly those have been looking at this, Hospitals got more money from the government if you died of COVID And a lot of people that went in, mysteriously got Covid once they got to the hospital because they were.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Paid by the government to treat people in the hospital.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Because they had Covid. So if you said they had Coke. Now look, I, I, this is tricky what we're talking about here because a lot of hospitals, a lot of hospitals with good people in it, but the fact is those are businesses, hospitals are businesses. And if the federal government is holding out money to you to say if, if you have someone in your hospital, you're treating them, we're paying the hospital whatever it was, 15,000 a pop or whatever.
>> Steve Jordahl: I don't know what it was.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You know, that's, that is hard to turn down.
>> Steve Jordahl: And the drug companies also were funded by the government taxpayers, to do this too. So a lot of money.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So I'm guessing that Dr. McCullough, when we've had him on tons of times across American Family radio since COVID I.
>> Steve Jordahl: Talked to him a lot.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, yeah. So we will find out about how these numbers are treated after he is. Well, I'll be watch, testifying.
>> Steve Jordahl: We watching the testimony today, by the.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Way, that is shocking if that's true. 600,000 dead because of the vaccine. 100,000 dead because of COVID That's, that would be. In the US in the US that would be stunning.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's what he's saying.
CNN's Jake Tapper downplayed obvious mental decline during Biden presidency
All right. you talked. Yes. earlier in the show I heard you guys talking about, the COVID up. The Biden cover up. possible cover, Possible cover up. Yeah. Well, one of the people who's kind of admitting to being part of the COVID up is Jake Tapper. Jake Tapper's got a book coming out.
>> Tim Wildmon: CNN's Jake Tapper.
>> Steve Jordahl: CNN's Jake Tapper has a book coming out and he is doing the media rounds and in some cases his feet are being held to the fire. I want to hear, I want you to hear a discussion that he had with Megyn Kelly. So Jake Tapper for the entire Biden presidency, to many people appeared that he downplayed obvious mental decline.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: Cancer wasn't in the, in the discussion at the point, but the mental decline was everywhere. As far as conservative media and just the eye test, the guy couldn't find his way off a stage. There's something wrong. And the mainstream media, including J. Tapper, Covered it up, according to many. And now Jake Tapper is writing a book about how the media covered it up. I want you to listen to this, conversation, he had with Megyn Kelly, cut 12.
>> Speaker E: You didn't follow up on the fact that he was falling up the stairs, that he was losing his train of thought regularly, that he was slurring, that he was incomprehensible, that he was getting lost on the White House lawn. You sat right across from him, and you asked. None of that notwithstanding the fact that he had promised you he would be fully transparent about his health issues.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's true. But I did ask him about his age and the fact that the American people had concluded that even though he said, whenever anybody brought up the subject of his age, watch me. And I said, they're watching you, and they are concerned that you were too.
>> Speaker E: Old for this job, you know as well as I do that there's a way of. You can say, hey, there's this poll on your age. Or you could say, you just forgot that Jackie Walorski was dead. You, you asked where she was moments after watching a videotape tribute to her. You lowered the flags at the White House after she died. This happened 13 days before you sat with him. There is a way of pressing a man like that on, the actual infirmities to bring it home to him and to the audience. And you didn't do it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's. That's a job of a journalist right there.
>> Tim Wildmon: Kelly, do it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Megan Kelly. And, and here's why you. You want somebody on your show. Megyn Kelly needs people like Jake Tapper on her show to get views.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's a podcast.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It's a podcast. So you, A journalist runs the risk, is always in that tight spot of saying, if I press Jake Tapper too far, he's never coming back on my show. Okay, but if I don't press him, I'm not doing my job. And she passed the test several times.
>> Steve Jordahl: He said to her, well, I knew you were going to be asking me these questions.
>> Tim Wildmon: Sure he did. Because he went on her show because he has a book to sell.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: And I don't blame him. You know, when you have a book to, promote, you've got to go on shows, that are conservative and liberal, and in between, you're trying to promote your book to as many people as you can. Megyn Kelly has a huge, following on her podcast. So that's the reason Jake Tapper went on there. Jake Tapper from, again, cnn. But, listen, all these people knew, including Joe Scarborough from Morning Joe, and he was saying this is the best. In March of last year, he was saying this was the best Biden ever and things like that. And then he tried to. Yesterday I saw where he was trying to explain his way out of that one. It just wasn't. He wasn't getting off the ground.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No.
>> Tim Wildmon: With that explanation, what it was. Sometimes things are as simple as what they appear to be. What it was, was almost all these people like Jay Tapper and Joe Scarborough, they're all liberals. 90. 90% of them in the mainstream media are liberal Democrats. Joe Biden was their guy. Donald Trump was an anathema.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Had to be stopped. He's Hitler. So if we have to stop Hitler, we don't want to hurt our guy.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: We ever. We don't. By reporting he has dementia or reporting, you know, that he's what everybody knows to be true. We're just gonna pretend like everything's okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Why? Because we have to pretend. Otherwise, Trump wins.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, listen, I don't mind if you do that, as long as you don't call yourself objective journalists.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just say we're for our team, and our team is Democrats, and we may work for NBC and CNN and the New York Times and whatever, but we can't let the other team win. so we're going to do everything we can to promote our side. And if it means we have a dementia riddled president, that's fine, as long as it stops.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: Bad Orange Man.
>> Tim Wildmon: Bad Orange Man. Bad.
Fred: We'll ask our listeners today to say a prayer for Joe Biden
>> Steve Jordahl: remind me tomorrow, I want to play some, Jon Stewart hilarious take on the book. Also, one of the friends of the ministry, texted me beforehand and said we need to pray for Joe Biden because this whole thing about the cancer and everything, he's not got a long time on this earth, regardless of cancer, and he needs Jesus.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, that's. That is a biblical.
>> Tim Wildmon: We'll ask our listeners today to say a prayer for Joe Biden, former president.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yep.
>> Tim Wildmon: all right. Thank you, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: My pleasure.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thank you, Ed.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, sir.
>> Fred Jackson: Absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: And, Fred, appreciate it. Thanks to Chris Woodward. We didn't have a guest today, did we? So Brent Creely, our producer. Thank, Brent. Thank you for listening, everybody. Keep listening to American Family Radio. We'll see you back here tomorrow.
