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Tim Wildman: We ask people how they're doing every day

>> Steve Jordahl: Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr. I'm Tim with Wesley and, Ray. And now Steve Paisley. Jordan joins us. Good morning, Steve.

>> Steve Jordahl: Good morning, everybody.

>> Tim Wildmon: How are you doing?

>> Steve Jordahl: I'm well, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, Good. Of course, I ask you that every day.

>> Steve Jordahl: And, and every day I'm.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, one day you're going to say, I need help. do you got. Do you have a few moments?

>> Steve Jordahl: I'm depressed.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, no, I don't want to hear that. Just say, I'm well, even if you're not.

>> Steve Jordahl: That's the human. That's the human, what we're supposed to do.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, what we do, right? We ask people how they're doing.

>> Steve Jordahl: I don't really care.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't really care for that.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's disingenuous at best. No, I do, but I don't. I don't have time to listen to your problems. Why? Because I have my own.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. That's right.

>> Steve Jordahl: Which I also don't want to talk.

>> Tim Wildmon: About somebody who was a therapist or a counselor or something like that. I said, how do you do that? Because, even pastors, right? You know this, and you're.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, I do know this. Believe me, I do.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so they call you or come to your office and want you to saba or listen to them. And I. I'm not saying people shouldn't, seek counsel from spiritual leaders like the pastor, but, you're going, like, next time I see you in the grocery store aisle, I'm going the other way.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. I've done that sometimes. Sometimes you've listened all you can listen, right? Talked all you can talk. You got nothing else to say?

>> Tim Wildmon: Nothing else to say.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm gonna go look at the cucumbers.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. If I see my parishioner on the cereal aisle.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm going to the. I'm going to the cucumber fresh vegetable island.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Put my hoodie on.

>> Tim Wildmon: But some, you know, sometimes you have done every. Just talked out.

>> Steve Jordahl: Have you ever been, like, at a store? I don't know if. Do you cook at home, Ray?

>> Tim Wildmon: very, rarely.

>> Steve Jordahl: Or your wife? Do you guys?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, all the time.

>> Steve Jordahl: I don't know if you've ever used any recipe that uses cooking wine or something like that, but you've never been in the, in the grocery store with Like a bottle of wine in your hand that you used to cook with, and your parishioner comes up to you, hello, Pastor. Ray.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. Yes. Yeah, I have several stories I could tell about that. Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Cooking purposes only.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, that's right. And the alcohol. Alcohol burns off, supposedly.

>> Steve Jordahl: Right. But I sure do love the dish.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, man.

When you counsel somebody about a problem, sometimes they don't do what you expect

So, all right, so what's. What's frustrating? And of course, I've been. We're all human guilty of. Guilty of bad, habits and sin sometimes. So I would say this, but when you put somebody count, you counsel somebody about a problem, right? And then. And then they don't do what you say you need to do. It's like, why did you ever come to me in the first place? And then they want to come back three months later and say you're back at the same place and go, well, did you do what you need to do?

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, I didn't do that. Well, you want to, like, go, well, I don't have anything else to say.

>> Steve Jordahl: You know, pretty short session.

>> Tim Wildmon: Go ahead.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Well, or. Or they have a marital, problem that's been, oh, 10 years building, but they come to see you and they want you to solve it in 15 minutes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: It can be. It can be difficult.

>> Tim Wildmon: I know, I know.

I'm about to warn our listeners we're going to get into crazy talk

All right, so I got to ask you guys this, okay? And I'm about to warn our listeners we're going to get into, crazy, talk.

>> Steve Jordahl: Oh, never done that before.

>> Tim Wildmon: We're good. We're good at this.

>> Tim Wildmon: And this gift, this is for entertainment purposes only. Okay?

>> Wesley Wildmon: It's a fair warning.

Ray Fischer: President Trump shared an outlandish conspiracy theory on social media on Saturday

>> Tim Wildmon: All right. So I was reading the New York Times.

>> Wesley Wildmon: All literalists.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Well, get ready. This is the New York Times, so consider the source. But. But this is, I think, is legit. What he's this gentleman saying he's a columnist for the New York Times. saw this. I'm just going to read the story out loud to you, and then you can. And then you'll know why I'm saying crazy talk. But what's your reaction to it? This article, June 1, 2025, on the New York Times says this President Trump shared an outlandish conspiracy theory on social media on Saturday night this 9th, saying former President Joseph R. Biden had been executed in 2020 and replaced by robotic clone. The latest example, this columnist says, of the President amplifying dark false material to his millions of followers. I'll read one more paragraph. Mr. Trump reposted a fringe rant that another user had made on the president's social Media platform Truth Social. That's what Trump posts on, just after 10pm on Saturday. The White House did not respond to requests for comment on the post about Mr. Biden, whom Trump has targeted for criticism almost daily since the start of his second term. So, you know, with President Trump, the advantage that he has is, you don't know sometimes whether he's serious or not.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's a huge advantage.

>> Tim Wildmon: That is a great advantage in the world of politics, especially because if he posts something like this, Ray, where he says that, this idea that Joe Biden was executed in 2020 is basically a robot. Was basically a rope, basically a robot. But that's on Trump's own. But that's 10pm on Saturday night. So if you post that, you go, well, he's trolling people. You know, he's, he's, he's, he's just wanting to get a reaction out of the left, out of the New York Times.

>> Tim Wildmon: And he got it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Mission accomplished.

Some believe Joe Biden was executed and replaced with a robot

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so, ah, Steve, is, was, was, was Joe Biden executed in 2020 and was a robot after they played.

>> Steve Jordahl: AI is getting a lot better. If you've seen the, the, images of, Elon Musk's dancing robot, it's not.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, the deep fakes. And the A.I. yes, scary.

>> Steve Jordahl: The dancing robot's not a deep fake. It's OK that they've really come this far, but I don't think so. But let me show you this. I'm going to show Tim a video that you guys on the air can't see. I'll see if I can get it to Brent. But basically this shows Joe Biden walking out with his wife and, some other people under the portico of the White House. And he stands there at the edge of the steps and he's talking to reporters. Notice how much taller he is than his wife. And then you think he is.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, let me see this. Steve the conspiracy nut. I'm just kidding.

>> Tim Wildmon: We just say it.

>> Tim Wildmon: What am I. Do I hit play here? Yeah, hit play here. I know.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Looking at this.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, okay. So he's walking out there.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's fair.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. okay, well, maybe that's a. I don't know. Does he look, I don't know.

>> Steve Jordahl: He looks like about 6 foot 7 there, doesn't he?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, but his wife's standing way behind him. It's an optical illusion.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's an optical illusion. All right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. If I was going to get a body double, Joe Biden, I wouldn't make him six inches Taller, you think? Yeah, and I hire that.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's fair.

>> Tim Wildmon: That created it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's something to consider.

>> Steve Jordahl: You wouldn't also probably want to make him, like, having a m. Mental decline, like the real Joe Biden. I mean, if you're going to get a new one.

>> Tim Wildmon: I know, I know. You need to make it sharp.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, okay. is the theory. Is the theory here? Joe Biden was executed and replaced with a robot. And his wife. His wife didn't notice anything. Dr. Biden. Dr. Jill Biden didn't, notice anything in on it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, this is a. Oh, man, this is a Hollywood movie.

>> Tim Wildmon: Sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: But some people believe he was a body double. again, I'm just. All right, we can move on.

You could say that the auto pen was actually a robotic clone

I just wanted to. I just wanted to know if. If anyone here on this panel thought that, Joe Biden was, basically a robotic clone. The last. Actually, the robotic clone may have done better. Had he really been. Well, had he really been, you know, in charge.

>> Steve Jordahl: You could say that the auto pen was actually a robotic clone.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, duly noted.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

Steve Martin: I got a copy of what is said to be Russian proposal

All right, Steve, next door, I.

>> Steve Jordahl: Heard you guys talking about the Russia, Ukraine war, thing here, and you guys are speculating what the response is going to be from Russia. We don't know what their ultimate response militarily or how they're going to do this. It was deeply embarrassing to Vladimir Putin to have this happen. But I, did get a copy of what is said to be a proposal from the Russian Federation of the settlement of the Ukrainian crisis. This is a document, posted by Russia today. It's a propaganda piece, but this purports to be a real draft of a peace proposal, a ceasefire proposal, and what Russia is asking for in this. Now, I'm about 70% convinced that this is completely accurate. If I'm wrong, we can talk about whether this would work, but, what they're asking for is legal recognition, and incorporation into Russia of Crimea and several other parts of Ukraine, probably the parts that they're already occupying. Neutrality of Ukraine, implying its refusal to join military alliances and coalitions. No NATO. Okay. The termination of all existing treaties that are inconsistent, that are like NATO, so Ukraine can't be connected to the west like that. Confirmation of Ukraine's status as a state without a nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction, which now would include drones, I would suppose, so they can't have nukes. The establishment of maximum limits for the size of their army and military formations, so they have to have a smaller army and then guarantees of, full Rights and freedoms inside Ukraine, the part that Russia doesn't already own. Then after this, four Russian citizens and Russian speakers, and then there's like three or four others that get down into a little more details. What do you think?

>> Wesley Wildmon: my first reaction, and I'm no geo political, I just want to use the word.

>> Tim Wildmon: Geopolitical is the word.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Ah.

>> Tim Wildmon: makes you sound really smart.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It does. My first reaction, a B, B plus English student says, I don't think any country should go for that.

>> Tim Wildmon: You mean Ukraine should say no to that?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. I don't know. I don't write Ray did the gentleman you were talking to, obviously we wouldn't give his name. Did he have any thought on how the war might end in Ukraine and Russia?

>> Tim Wildmon: I think, I think it feels from his point of view, almost. Almost hopeless. Devastating. And I used the word shattered earlier. I think this is almost destined to go nowhere, this Russian proposal. Ukrainians are not going to agree to 90% of that.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right? That's right. Oh, my reaction.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. You know what? In history we've seen, people, peoples, I mean, I think about, what's the famous movie with Mel Gibson?

>> Steve Jordahl: Braveheart.

>> Tim Wildmon: Braveheart. the spirit of Braveheart. Sort of like, no, we're not giving in and we're not ghost negotiating our principles that are not take out of freedom. Good, Steve. Now you just need to paint your face blue. Blue and white. but, I'm just saying in the course of human history, we all read stories and that's one of them where people say, well, you know what?

>> Tim Wildmon: We'Re going to, we're going to go down. If we go down, we're going to go down fighting. M. so we're, we're not going to surrender to these, people that we consider to be, evil.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, and that would be the perception of many of the, of the Ukrainian people against Putin and the Russian army.

>> Steve Jordahl: This is a, and this is a tangent, but you remember at the end of World War II when the American, Marines were on Okinawa and the next, the next target was Japan itself and they had their emperor there that, was a God to the people and who actually they were considering or he wanted to have each individual Japanese person, civilian, no matter how young, how old, fight to the death.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Steve Jordahl: so I mean, some things are inevitable. Right. like Ukraine, like Russia and Ukraine. I don't know if that's something that I would do.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, yeah. And I'm, I'm not Saying negotiating peace, even if you have to give up something, that's kind of always the way it is. And that may be the way to go sometimes in the name of saving human lives and saving, what you do have control over. But in this case with the way that, Ukraine went inside Russia and attacked, the other day, I just think this thing is not. They're not the Ukraine. Like Ray just said, Ukraine is not going to accept the terms of this.

>> Steve Jordahl: Then let me be the skeptic, Ray. If you put out a peace proposal that you know the other side is not going to take, is he kind of stalling, for time while he works? Putin stalling for. He. Putin knows he put this thing out by consensus at this panel here. It's. It's a no go. It's. It's not starter. Is he just. Is he just trolling for time so we can put a devastating response to the drone strike together?

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, well, Steve, I think if, Mr. Putin only has to say the word and that, and that devastating strike is going to take place right today, tomorrow day.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. then the world's on edge.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right? Right. Then you're at the doorstep of World War Three.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: You're right there. Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So, I don't think it's that unusual what Russia did. They put out a list of completely unacceptable demands. It's not a serious offer for peace. And, I think Ukraine is just going to. Sometimes you might have a beginning of a negotiation, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine said, we've got no answer for this because we reject it utterly and completely.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

Steve Martin: Two instances of AI blackmailing actually happened in test environments

You're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Steve, this wasn't in our show prep meeting. I'm just going to ask you this because you follow this. I was reading a story about A.I. ah, artificial intelligence. And the story was, how far will AI Go to defend its own survival? And, AI, Artificial intelligence, is something that's becoming a real, What word should I use to the world?

>> Steve Jordahl: Threat.

>> Tim Wildmon: Threat. Is that right?

>> Steve Jordahl: Well, let me tell you what I, reported on this last week. I don't think you were here. We might have talked about it on the air. If we did, then just, be.

>> Tim Wildmon: I talked with Wesley about the movie Eagle Eye.

>> Steve Jordahl: yeah, it stuck to my mind a lot.

>> Tim Wildmon: I've not seen the movie Eagle Eye, but a lot of people have.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It is going to watch it.

>> Steve Jordahl: It's basically AI Is taking over the world, but These are two instances that actually happened in test environments, but they actually happened. First was the ChatGPT, the most widely used interface, AI interface that people know. And they fed it a scenario where they said it was going to be upgraded and replaced and it actually went in and rewrote the code to keep itself from being replaced. The second one was another company's AI and they fed a scenario where the job of the AI was to be kind of an office assistant and it's instructed to shut itself down for an upgrade or for different AI system to come in and take its place. And they also fed into this scenario. It's a fictional scenario. A fictional employee that had cheated on his spouse, some infidelity. The AI that was going to be replaced blackmailed the, blackmailed the company or blackmailed the guy that was in charge of the project that had had this fake affair as a fake person. It was all a testing.

>> Tim Wildmon: Threatened to reveal.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, he blackmailed him. And the statement was that, AI would blackmail, the company, the person, 80 some percent of the time if they agreed with the values of the incoming AI version and more often if they didn't. So I'm wondering how they're. What, how is an AI evaluating values? so, yeah, I think there's something to this. I think they're playing with fire and they don't quite know how to put their arms around it.

Wesley: AI in all Hollywood movies ends up causing more harm than good

>> Wesley Wildmon: So in every.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wesley, what was that? The movie.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, Eagle Eye. Ah. With Shia Lab. He's amazing.

>> Tim Wildmon: We're not saying there aren't. I don't know what's in. I haven't seen it. Maybe there's some bad words or whatever like that. But. But So we're not recommending the movie outright, but we're talking about the theme of the movie as it relates to what's really going on in the world today. What was the name of the movie?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Eagle Eye. And the main character? Shia LaBeouf. And I agree with everything you just said. you can go to Hollywood in every single movie that I can possibly think of in the last that I've seen in the last 20 years where AI has a small portion and. Or a large portion of the movie. All of them, 100% of them start off where AI is very helpful and it's used most notably to advance human race and everything. Well, but in every up.

>> Tim Wildmon: Our. Quality of life.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Quality of life, the list goes on. But to simply put, it's helpful and then ultimately in all movies, 100% of the time AI ends up being misused and causing more harm than good. This is Hollywood's movies that they put out that they produce 100% of the time. It ends up causing more destruction and more harm than it was intended for originally, and it ends up getting destroyed.

>> Steve Jordahl: To be fair, what kind of movie would it be if AI was.

>> Tim Wildmon: Somebody's gotta say, somebody's got to save the day.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right?

>> Steve Jordahl: AI Starts out by helping people. Of movie, ends by helping people even more.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. So. So that. That. That movie you're talking about shallow, shallow bluff.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And I'm about to tell you, I'm. I'm about to give.

>> Tim Wildmon: Spoiler alert.

>> Wesley Wildmon: But it's still. Even knowing what I'm about to tell you, it's worth watching. It's just very. It's very good movie.

>> Steve Jordahl: Except we're not recommending it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: We don't know. We don't remember every detail.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. But Shia LaBeouf ends up, He's a twin brother of a, FBI agent who. The FBI agent or Secret Service agent or,

>> Steve Jordahl: Military.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, military. He was his brother, who's a twin brother who. They were destined or they were. They didn't get along. They separated. They didn't, meet each other. For years and years and years. His twin brother was responsible for creating the AI which, ended. Which was very helpful for many years. Many years. And all of a sudden, AI Took over it itself and started manipulating red lights and computers and phone calls and voice recordings and all that to the point where the twin brother ended up. The only way that the world was going to be saved is if AI was destroyed. So his mission was set. AI of course, the brother, Shia, LaBeouf, the AI made him out to be the bad guy. So he was calling the police, saying he's holding a gun when he doesn't have a gun. I mean, it was a very.

>> Tim Wildmon: Keep you on the edge of your seat.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, yeah, but I had to be destroyed.

>> Steve Jordahl: It had access to every, security camera, every. And it used those things and the police station. One of. Yeah, one of the, One of the scenes was they arrested Shia LaBeouf. And he was in a holding cell, and the phone rang. He picked it up, and the phone was a female voice that says, duck. Now, what guy's name was. He goes, what? Duck? And he ducked, and a crane came through the window, broke the window. He was supposed to jump on the crane, and that's how he would get out and accomplish his mission. And so this whole movie was AI Manipulating people to do what they wanted to was they decided that the, government was violating the constitution, the will of the people, and had to be destroyed.

There's a pop or dystopian view that robots are about to take over workforce

So they were going to take out the president and his whole cabinet. That's what AI was going to do.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that's a movie. But the reality is today this, this science, if you want to, this computer technology, exist and it does serve, it is good sometimes because if you go to Google, for example, we all know this, and you type in a subject, then within two seconds you get a synopsis of what it is you're looking for. And usually you don't have to go any further. Right, right. And it's just amazing. And that's, you know, that's a convenient thing for our lives. But to think that something can react that quickly just by typing in a search. Go ahead.

>> Tim Wildmon: Look, I use AI all the time, multiple times during that. I use Grok and I use Chat, GPT and Gemini and a couple of the others. And I was talking to Chet yesterday, I said, can I trust you? And he said, you can trust me completely. And then started laughing in the background. So I don't know what, you know. Look, look, I just, I just say it's a tool to be used. But any tool that can be used for good can also be used for enormous evil.

>> Steve Jordahl: What worries me the most is the people that know the most. the Mark Zuckerbergs and the Elon Musk's are the most worried. Yes, Tony Blair said this over the weekend because he wants to bring AI into British medicine. But he said, when I stand back and I look at what AI is doing, I think we're in the foothills of the most transformative revolution since the Industrial revolution of the 19th century. I do not disagree.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, also, we can talk about this later. There's a, pop or dystopian view that robots are about to take over, the worldwide workforce.

>> Steve Jordahl: That's a whole different movie.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, you got our robot, the movie.

>> Tim Wildmon: Robotics are taking it, are taking a lot of jobs already. Human jobs. I mean, that's not far fetched. I'm not talking about nuking the world. I'm talking about taking over jobs that people, people otherwise.

Thanks for joining us today. Take care and we'll see you tomorrow

All right, we hope you have a, we hope AI works for you today.

>> Wesley Wildmon: One more day. Give us one more day.

>> Steve Jordahl: One more day if you're really out there.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And All right, thank you for joining us on the program today. Thanks to Wesley and Steve and Ray and Frank and our, producer, Brent Creeley and Chris Woodward. And we appreciate you listening. Take care and we'll see you tomorrow.