Today's Issues continues on AFR with Steve Paisley
>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio network. We got 25 more minutes of this show left here on this, Tuesday, June 24, 2025. I'm Tim Wildmon with Wesley Wildmon and Dr. Ray Pritchard. And joining, us down studio is Steve Paisley. Jordo. Good morning, brother Steve, everybody. How you doing, brother?
>> Steve Jordahl: I'm well, I'm well. Heather and I are getting ready, to go on a cruise. We're going on Alaskan cruise.
>> Tim Wildmon: Alaskan cruise?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. Yeah. In August. So we're, we're getting to Right. Kind of clothes and starting to look at what you do in catch can Alaska, that kind of stuff.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. What about this?
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, listen, I've been on two of those.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: abs. Prepare to be amazed.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. So we're going to go to Glacier Bay and all that kind of stuff. But I've only been on the Caribbean things with a lot of sun and like snorkeling and everything. I'm not sure what to expect before.
>> Tim Wildmon: Bring your jacket. It does, it does get chilly.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, you can snorkel. They have these, you know, these excursions, snorkeling with the polar bears.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, that's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: They advertise them different ways.
>> Steve Jordahl: They do.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's not for everybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. Not everybody can handle.
>> Steve Jordahl: I actually when I, back years, ago when I had. When I was in the Bay Area working with, Silicon, Valley, I went and got certified, scuba certified in the Monterey Bay. That is some very, very cold water. Very.
>> Tim Wildmon: Give us, what do you call it? A suit on.
>> Steve Jordahl: Oh, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Bodysuit.
>> Steve Jordahl: For sure. You did.
>> Tim Wildmon: Otherwise you can't.
>> Steve Jordahl: That would be.
>> Tim Wildmon: The Pacific Ocean is very cold everywhere, Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: Pretty much.
>> Tim Wildmon: San Diego up to.
>> Steve Jordahl: It gets a little. The more further north you go, the more it seems to be cold.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: So Alaska, I mean, that's.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
You're going on a cruise to Alaska with Canard Cruise Lines
But going to Alaska. So where are you leaving out of?
>> Steve Jordahl: Leaving out of Seattle. All right, so seven days and, we're going to stop in the whole.
>> Tim Wildmon: Trips there and back. Seven days?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. How long does it take you to get from Seattle to where Ray knows is he's been up there, done that. What did you go out Seattle to or Vancouver?
>> Tim Wildmon: I've done it both ways. I did one where we started up in, I want to say Anchorage and then came south.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right, okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: And then done another one. Exactly the way, the way you've done it. It's just, So are you going with a group or just you and Heather and.
>> Steve Jordahl: Just Heather and I. Oh, that's nice.
>> Tim Wildmon: So. So you go into, Are you saying you're going up there and then flying back from Alaska? No, flying into Seattle the whole time.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, we're flying into Seattle.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: Going on the boat, north. Just, the. Wherever you go in Moscow, then come back down. I think we'll be in Victoria, bc.
>> Tim Wildmon: I surprised it. I'm kind of surprised they do that in seven days, I guess I'm saying. But maybe,
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, there's two. I think there's two whole days where you do nothing A bit at sea. That probably between.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: On the way up there.
>> Tim Wildmon: And Steve, remember that on a cruise ship, remember these three words. Calories don't count.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: They do not count on a cruise ship. On the land they count. On the ship they don't.
>> Steve Jordahl: I will remember that. It's interesting because, you know, I've been on a couple of these cruise lines that have all this food. we were suggested we're going to take advantage of going on Canard.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Canard.
>> Steve Jordahl: Canard Cruise Lines. It's supposed to be a little more oriented for adults. There's not gonna be a lot of teenagers screaming, kids on the. On the cruise, a little more relaxed.
>> Tim Wildmon: They're the people who did the real big time transatlantic, you know, passages back in the day. Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: The, the Titanic, White Freight, line, merged with Canard.
>> Tim Wildmon: So with the Titanic, I'm on the.
>> Steve Jordahl: Genetic Titanic cruise line.
>> Tim Wildmon: So that's in August.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. All right, well, we'll bring a report back. We look forward to hearing about it. Absolutely. I've never done that myself.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, maybe after I'll bring some fur back if I club some baby seals. You know, all that stuff.
>> Tim Wildmon: What do you got in the news there?
Israel reportedly called 20 top Iranian generals warning them they're next targets
>> Steve Jordahl: All right. Hey, the more we learn about the Mossad, which is Israel's, intelligence agency, the more, the more we just shake our heads in wonder. so you know, the Mossad was behind the, what do they call it? Grim, beeper attack in. Of, Hezbollah in, In Lebanon.
>> Tim Wildmon: The pagers went off.
>> Steve Jordahl: The pagers went off and exploded. They were behind all kinds of subter through this whole thing. Well, what we're finding out now is, according to audio received by the Washington Post, just hours after Israel launched, its first wave of attacks. This is, on June 13th, back well before we got it, the president sent our Planes. But Israel, called 20 of the top generals in Iran on their cell phones, on their cell phones with a warning. And I want you to hear. Now what you're going to hear is, the actual call. It's all in Persian, so you won't be able to understand it. But I have voiced over the translation. I went last night and learned Persian real quick so I could do this. Yeah, but no, the translation was available and you're going to hear my voice over, the Persian call. But imagine you're a general in the army and you hear this cut 11. The only advice I'm giving you right now, I can advise you now, you have 12 hours to escape with your wife and child. Otherwise you're on our list right now. You, all of you, one by one on the list that I'm looking at. And you're one of our next targets. We will hit you, your family, your children, everyone with the dirt. I only call to tell you, look, as long as there's time, I'll give you a reprieve. like I said, 12 hours from this very minute that I spoke to you, you have time to escape. We're closer to you than your own neck vein. put this in your head.
>> Tim Wildmon: Whoa. Closer than your own neck vein.
>> Steve Jordahl: And then they went on to demand from these of video, formally dissociating themselves from the Ayatollah and saying that they're out.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, what happened?
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, I don't know.
>> Tim Wildmon: when was this?
>> Steve Jordahl: This would have been hours after Israel first started itself.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But you. But the audio is just being released.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, it was just leaked to the, to the Washington Post.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Gotcha.
>> Tim Wildmon: Assad is, kind of like our CIA, except, probably better at their jobs because Israel's very survival.
>> Tim Wildmon: Depends on them. Mossad. And so that was psychological warfare too, right there, in addition to a real warning. Because I know Israel has taken out and killed, a lot of the nuclear scientists that were working with Iran, their top military people, generals have been targeted. And, and in, fact, one of the stories was that Mossad was able to get so deep inside Iranian leadership that they were able to fool a few of the top generals or either top commanders to be in one room together.
>> Steve Jordahl: And then, yeah, they used, they watched them and saw the telltale signs of how, what would draw them into a meeting. And they said somehow they knew how keep them there and then they wipe them out with a bomb.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, this is ruthless stuff. This is not that even listening to that makes you feel Uncomfortable, Yeah. Even though you're knowing what you're listening to. But these, the Mossad and is Israel, they. They can't afford to mess around, play around. they can't afford to,
>> Wesley Wildmon: They really can't afford to be wrong about things or negotiate real.
>> Tim Wildmon: because the survival of their country and their people are at stake. So what do you think about that? Right?
>> Tim Wildmon: Can you imagine this? The war is going on, and your phone rings, right? And you're thinking, okay, it's my commander. I got something else. Or, you know, my wife calls, is everything okay? And you hear that, that ominous voice saying, you are on the list, and we are closer to you than your neck vein. We could make that. I think that would make the hair on the back right next. Stand up right there.
>> Steve Jordahl: And by the way, we're taking not only you. Were your wife and kids out, too?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's psychological warfare as much as it is anything. right there. all right, next story.
The evangelical Lutheran Church in America has become anything other than evangelical
>> Steve Jordahl: All right.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, this will make you a little uncomfortable for a different reason. I want to get raised thought on this. The evangelical, Lutheran Church in America has become, anything other than evangelical. Everything other than evangelical. And, one of their women pastors or pastresses. They don't call them that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Pastoresses.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's what I'm calling her.
>> Tim Wildmon: I thought that was like what you get for dessert at Olive Garden. Right?
>> Steve Jordahl: It may be. Maybe. Anyway, one of their. One of their, pastors.
>> Tim Wildmon: Raspberry pastors. I'm sorry.
>> Steve Jordahl: Go ahead. No, it's true. I wanted to hear. She was explaining the Great Commission and. Ray, I'd love to get your take on this. Cut. 12, 13.
>> Speaker E: You are supposed to be my witnesses. You are supposed to make disciples. You are supposed to tell everybody to change their mind and way of life. It's a new translation of repent. We who are in kind of progressive church circles don't tend to be real excited about the idea of running out and telling other people to change because of Jesus. Other people are beloved by God and have God in them and in their lives and speaking to them too. And we discover together what God means. I think that there are people who are perfectly happy in other faiths who do not need converted to ours. I think there are people who are perfectly happy with no faith at all. And I don't think we're doing them any favors if they have no. If they don't believe in God, I don't think we're doing them Any favors by jumping on top of them and telling them they're wrong.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, don't tell them you're wrong.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I agree. We shouldn't be jumping on top of people.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: That form of evangelism is gone past tense. Right. But, like, what are we going to say about this? number one, this is. This lady, this pastorous, whatever you called her, she is perfectly typical of what you hear in main line denominations. We shouldn't think that that's. That's not an extreme example, Steve. That's what you will hear in mainline denominations. Number two, that bears no resemblance to the great commission that the Lord Jesus gave. In Mark 16, Luke 24, and especially in Matthew chapter 28. Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. That's not just unbelief. That is rank heresy. That is, and I use this phrase. People throw it around. And I use this phrase advisedly. What she is saying is a lie from the pit of hell. It is satanic in its root, in its origin, and it is satanic in its effect. And those who follow that kind of teaching will end up where this woman will end up. Unless she truly repents and comes to Jesus. You're going to end up in hell. This is the blind leading the blind. You're guaranteed to fall into the ditch.
>> Steve Jordahl: I wonder what kind of faith that is. What kind of religion is that, that you don't care if anybody else believes it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: certainly not Christianity. Because if you believe, or we believe, whoever believes the Bible and knows that there's a. There's a heaven and there's a hell, then obviously, if you knew that someone who was going to hell and you knew that, or at least their lifestyle and everything else says that, then you would want to convert them. obviously. But that's a serious question. I got a funny thought, though. As I was listening to her, all I could do is picture her in a room in like a Kumbaya and just sharing, things that come to her mind that while she's holding a Bible that she doesn't even believe in. It's like, I've always. I've always wondered why other. obviously what Ray Pritchard said is. Is the answer. But I wonder why people like herself has to go to so much stress and anxiousness to not use the very book that she's holding. Just don't just create your own. What's her name?
>> Steve Jordahl: I don't know.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay. Why didn't Susie just say, here's the religion according to Susie.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And just go with it.
>> Tim Wildmon: She has pronouns.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Just go with it. It just.
>> Tim Wildmon: That was good. Honest.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. Be. Why? It's completely all right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. you want to know why the, mainline Protestant denominations are dying? It's because of that garbage that she just espoused right there.
Ray: She's saying all roads lead to God. That's what she said
if you don't believe in anything.
>> Wesley Wildmon: There'S no point in trying to convince somebody else to.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Then. Then nobody's going to come to your church. Yes. Eventually.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Nobody's going to come to your church because if you don't believe, in the teachings of the, She's saying all roads lead to God.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's what she said.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what she's saying. So why do I want to go to your church when I can go to the God of the golf course?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: She said go to the golf of the woods. Go ahead.
>> Wesley Wildmon: She said that the very, If someone doesn't believe in God and you know they don't believe in God, the worst thing you can do is tell them about God.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's the crazy thing. I don't know what happened. But so many of these mainline, which. That's. That is one. What is that called?
>> Steve Jordahl: The ecla Evangelical.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I guess we. I know you got other stories, but just Ray, for a couple more minutes. Where. What time, in what time in history did the seminaries begin? Because this has to come from, has, to come from. A lot of the cases come from a seminary teaching. Well, when did they start?
>> Tim Wildmon: I think we can look back about a hundred and fifty years ago to the late 1800s with the influence of German higher criticism, the influence of, many, many new quote, liberal ideas. As these seminaries, which had been for generations, Wesley had been basically, basically, maybe not profoundly, but basically evangelical, began to move further and further away. And as for this lady, she calls herself a Lutheran. Somebody get Martin Luther on the phone. Let's get Dr. Luther on the phone and ask him what he think about what's being said in his name.
>> Steve Jordahl: As long as I'm preaching out of Hebrews.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, you know, you know, Luther would have. Luther would have nothing to do with what this woman said. It's, it's an abomination. It's a travesty and it will lead people. That kind of preaching not only is Tim said empties the churches, but it leads people to eternal destruction.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yep.
>> Tim Wildmon: Absolutely, you're listening to today. Absolutely. you're leading. You're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Steve, any More to say or any new update in the last hour on the ceasefire?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, tentatively. Seems to be holding. Is the last I have seen. yeah, it's tenuous, but you would expect that for people who have been at each other's throat for so long. and then there's the. The Al Green. Is that the Congress? The congressman, his promise. He will be introducing articles of impeachment today. I think he does that every day that the Senate is in or the House is in session, but he's going to do it again today.
>> Tim Wildmon: who's. Who's. Who's going to do that?
>> Steve Jordahl: Senator or Congressman Green? I think it's maybe.
>> Tim Wildmon: Alice, where's he from?
>> Steve Jordahl: Let me look it up.
>> Tim Wildmon: Al Green.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wasn't there a singer?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, that's probably what I'm thinking of.
>> Tim Wildmon: probably not the same guy.
>> Steve Jordahl: Al Green. Representative from Texas.
>> Tim Wildmon: Other Al Green. Reverend Al Green from. From Memphis. Yeah, I think he was a soul singer, right?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Rv.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. And great.
>> Steve Jordahl: Very m. Well, so he's going to be, seeking to impeach Donald Trump over the airstrikes.
>> Tim Wildmon: it's not going anywhere.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
>> Steve Jordahl: So, yeah, tentatively holding, as far as we know. although, yeah, we're hoping. We're hoping that this, pans out.
Brazil has nominated Donald Trump for Nobel Peace Prize
Did you know that, I, can't remember, Brazil, maybe, has nominated Donald Trump for Nobel Peace Prize?
>> Wesley Wildmon: No, I didn't know that. Yeah, well, that, that tells you the culture shifting.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, Brazil, Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is that where the fellow has the Elvis hair is the president? You know what I'm talking about?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: I do not. I do not.
>> Tim Wildmon: He's got the sideburns and everything.
>> Tim Wildmon: For real.
>> Steve Jordahl: Is it a Boston Arrow? No.
>> Tim Wildmon: Or is that Argentine?
>> Steve Jordahl: It was Pakistan.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, I heard about that.
>> Steve Jordahl: Pakistan has nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize because he brought a truce between them and India.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, and that was a danger. That was like a couple. Dangerous situation.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, well, I didn't see that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, what a. What a world.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay. Yeah, there it is.
>> Tim Wildmon: Every day. What a world.
96% of Americans receive at least one scam message via email
>> Tim Wildmon: What else you got, Steve? We got seven minutes left.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right. You ever get a email, that says you have an unpaid parking ticket or an unpaid toll that you have to pay?
>> Tim Wildmon: I say raise your hand if you haven't gotten one of those.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, according to, Survey, 96% of Americans receive at least one scam message via email. So CNET was doing the survey.
>> Tim Wildmon: You mean a day or a week?
>> Steve Jordahl: Or did they say, each week? One a week. 96% get one a week. 37% receive more than 10 each week. So I don't know what makes you, like, if you click on one. And here's the thing. You think they haven't got you if you go and click and you just don't give money? As soon as you click, they've got, They've got you. They. They know.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: You're alive. Sending more stuff your way. Plus.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, there, there, there's ways this is happening, and I don't know what. Somebody's going to have to do something to help stop this because it's, it's wearing people out. between phone calls, text message, text messaging, and emails, m. I call them spammers and scammers. and they just. It's just relentless with people now, huh?
>> Wesley Wildmon: And thieves. They're a thief.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah, yeah. But they get you on the phone and they take advantage of elderly people a lot of times too. You heard that? but, so what do you write? I know you talked about this years and you said you're. They must have your picture.
>> Tim Wildmon: look, look, we go up to Chicago, we drive to Chicago and you know, there's toll roads all over the Chicago area. And we come back and the next week we get. I mean, I get them all the time, a text message saying so and so you were on the Illinois toll road. Well, it's true. We were on some of their toll roads. Click on this link and, and, and pay the money or else you will be in some kind of big trouble. I can understand how that would look. It kind of unsettles me.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right, right.
>> Tim Wildmon: And I know what's going on.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: They, Whoever they are, they know that Marlene and I were in Chicago. They know we were on the toll roads. Tim, how did that. Whoever they are, how do they know that? Because it's, it's a scam. And if you click on the link, I mean, as, as Steve said, they've got you. They knew we were there. They knew we were on the toll roads. I can easily understand why. And, you said senior adults. Look, that's me. I can understand why people would get scared and give them your credit card. And boy, then you're in trouble. When you've done that.
>> Tim Wildmon: There's another one going around, the dmv.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. That's the one I get in the various month, once every saying, you got it.
>> Tim Wildmon: You got an outstanding, speeding ticket or something.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, the one they, the one I get most often is a toll.
>> Tim Wildmon: So they Say, like Ray's talking about.
>> Steve Jordahl: The, phone calls. What they'll do if you answer the phone calls, they'll sample your voice and then they have your voice. They can use AI to make it say whatever. Yeah, they want it to say that.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And that's showing up in some of the more recent, movies and. Or TV series, where they're using AI voice. They copy. If you, if you take the call and you start talking, then they copy. They keep your voice and they copy and they reuse it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Also, the fake invoices for businesses.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Another email tactic that they try to use. so I don't know. it's just where it's. I know a lot of people get a lot worse than I do. They just wearing people out.
>> Wesley Wildmon: This is something you do need to be somewhat paranoid about.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, this is something. This is something.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Paranoid.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen to phishing emails and so forth too. Where they want to. The, the scammers want to get you to click on a link.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yep. And then they have access to everything in your phone or in your computer or in your,
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I think the, The. Oh, when in doubt. Don't.
Have a friend who you can trust who can spot fraudulent websites
>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right, right.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Don't,
>> Steve Jordahl: You don't know who it is. Don't.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, even if you think you do, you better triple check that. I would say, and go ahead, have.
>> Tim Wildmon: Somebody, have a friend, somebody who you can trust who knows this and say, does this look legit?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: We need to. You know what? Now that we're having this conversation, we would do our audience a, great service to have, one of. One or two of our IT guys on, like Nick or Nate, because he, has a particular website that's free that he used. When I get one that I'm questioned about and I don't know, I can send it to him and he has a way of being able to see if it's fraudulent or not. Anyways, I. With our.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's a good point.
>> Wesley Wildmon: We could have. There's. There's three or four steps you can do that he would be able to help us out with. I know that. I know that in the last two years I've become so educated on this based on the training that AFA's IT team does for us as a staff, that it's helped me out tremendously. And I can almost spot it as quick as anybody now because of their help.
>> Steve Jordahl: You can listen to AFA or you can hire your own IT professional.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, the AI is changing the way spammers and scammers work because it's no longer just the Nigerian prince. That's right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
Today's Issues posted a video of Burt Harper sharing the gospel
Hey, in light of our conversation about the Lutheran so called pastor, female pastor, we have an article that we posted on our Today's Issues page called the Gospel. It's got pastor Burt Harper, who is a co host of Exploring the Word in three and a half Minute. He walks, walks us through the road of salvation. We encourage you to go to our Facebook page, our Today's issues Facebook page and share that video with your friends far and wide. As he does, Brother Burt Harper did a wonderful job sharing the gospel.
>> Tim Wildmon: Awesome. By the way, spammers and scammers would be a great name for like a heavy metal band. Yeah, I think, you know, something like that.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't know. I don't see the problem with that is it's funny for us and. But nobody would go. Yeah, they wouldn't want to be.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the stage the spammers and the scammers. All right, we'll see you tomorrow, everybody.
