Today's Issues continues on AFR
>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your.
>> Host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family radio network, Wednesday, April 30, 2025. Thanks for listening, Tim. With Ed and Wesley. And now, Steve Paisley Jordan joins us. Good morning, brother.
>> Steve Jordahl: Good morning, everybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: How are you, sir?
>> Steve Jordahl: I'm well. I'm well.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And you're wearing my favorite of your Paisley collection. Paisley collection. Like that color combination, black and kind of gold and silver.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: Okay. I'm. I am not, a New Orleans Saints fan, per se.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, it looks like it.
>> Steve Jordahl: But I am, a, Derek Carr fan.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: Raiders quarterback. For a long time now it was quarterback at New Orleans. And, I don't know, now that you mentioned it, I'm thinking it is.
>> Tim Wildmon: You do have the New Orleans Saints colors in the pace and the paisley. Is that French art? Sort of. I don't know, you know, like New Orleans, like. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking art, and I'm talking to you guys. I can't. I can't explain it to you. If you don't know about your artwork.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You'Re talking to a bunch of rubes here who don't know anything about that. Their art.
>> Steve Jordahl: I found the shirt in my closet.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, I'm sorry. We're not, You know, I don't need to sound.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't mean to sound highbrow. I really don't, but I mean, hoity.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Toity, you know, I know all about it.
>> Tim Wildmon: All about artwork. And I sent my artwork to the National Day of Prayer, and they never back.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, that's got to hurt.
>> Tim Wildmon: It did.
I typed in where did paisley come from? And the first thing
>> Wesley Wildmon: I typed in where did paisley come from? And the first thing that popped up. Where did pasta come from?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Pasta.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But, you know, where pasta.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I already know the answer to that question.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, well, retype that. You obviously misspelled it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And by the way, for all you wise guys out there who, When I said I know where it comes from, implied Italy, all of you who said, no, it came from China. Okay? Noodles came from China. pasta came from Italy.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, that's what I'm talking about. Tell them I had to put them in place.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Apparently, I'm getting Paisley wrong. Y'all want to try it? Good.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, it was a hard word to spell. P A, S L, E, Y, P.
>> Ed Vitagliano: A, I S, P A, I, L, E, Y.
>> Tim Wildmon: Like I said, sorry.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I should have said something about art, and you would have just jumped out right on it.
>> Tim Wildmon: But P, A, I, S, L, E, Y. What does it say? Where'd M it come from?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, you got two different.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm going to think. I think it's French.
>> Ed Vitagliano: This is good radio right now. I can tell you. Paisley origin.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Come up Persian.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Persian.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's Persian.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Or Indian, maybe.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Persian origin.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Persian origin.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Well, that's the first thing that pops up on Google. You trust that every time you research something, you're gonna have.
>> Wesley Wildmon: What answer do you want?
>> Tim Wildmon: You're gonna end, well, I don't know.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The ancient Babylon. Also Scotland is, in Iraq is. Well, that would be.
>> Steve Jordahl: I'm very grounded. Central Asian and artistically.
>> Tim Wildmon: So you're telling me that Steve looks like Nebuchadnezzar?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ancient Babylon.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, it says ancient Babylon in present day Iraq, which would be close to M. That's where the Persian empire came.
>> Steve Jordahl: I'm hoping that to the east handwriting doesn't.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's where the paisley design came from.
>> Ed Vitagliano: claimed to be one place of origin.
>> Wesley Wildmon: This is also where we get our complaints from our show.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes. You wasted six minutes talking about paisley.
>> Tim Wildmon: We didn't. We educated people where paisley came from. There was a point to this discussion.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: all right, Steve, first story.
Paisley is running for Fort Worth City Council, Texas
>> Steve Jordahl: All right. I want to introduce you to a candidate in Fort Worth for city council. This, lady's name, is Peyton Jackson.
>> Tim Wildmon: Paisley. Jackson.
>> Steve Jordahl: Peyton. A Y, T, O, N. Jackson. This is a speech that she gave in front of the Fort Worth city council three weeks ago, but it has just gone viral. She is a, Republican and she's black. And listen to her defend that cut 13.
>> Speaker E: When I first announced my run for Congress, I had this random white woman liberal walk up to me and ask, well, what about you isn't Democrat? To which I responded, well, besides my skin color, what about me is Democrat? And it was at that very moment that she realized that God gave her enough common sense to ask me about my values. Now, don't get me wrong, I was raised to vote Democrat down the ballot. So when I first started, I would say things like, I'm a Republican, but I'm not a conservative. But now I know all too well. I am a full fledged hardcore conservative, and I'm proud of it. I mean, my favorite saying is, I was born black, not Democrat. But in all seriousness, whenever I began to think for myself politically, the choice was easy. I mean, why would I want to belong to a party whose mission is to infringe on the second Amendment as if a criminal would ever participate in something like a mandatory buyback. Why would I want to belong to and endorse a godless party? Because there is no such thing, and I mean no such thing as a trans child. We have confused children and sick, enabling adults. Why would I want to belong to a party that takes pride in shedding innocent blood? Number one, as if that's not what God hates. Number two, as if there's not a black market for baby organs. And number three, as if abortion clinics didn't start in the hood. Because if you think Trump is bad, you should research exactly who Margaret Sanger was.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Wow. I don't care where she's running, I'm voting.
>> Steve Jordahl: You're voting for her? Her name is Peyton Jackson.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Where she.
>> Steve Jordahl: Fort Worth, Texas. City Council.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You and I go in and rent a house just for the weekend, become citizens and then vote.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Listen, that was for. For those who think that conservatives are racists. It. I'm just speaking for myself. I think I can speak for everyone I know here who is of the white persuasion. okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: I was persuaded from birth, apparently.
>> Ed Vitagliano: We. We care about principles. M. We care about the Bible, we care about the Constitution, we care about conservative values, and we don't want our culture to go into the dustbin of history. I don't care what color skin you've got. If you're on board with those kind of things, you're my kind of people. What's her name?
>> Steve Jordahl: Her name is Peyton Jackson.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I wouldn't mind having her on the show.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, that'd be good.
>> Wesley Wildmon: She's running for a district eight in Texas. Fort Worth City Council. The election is May 3, 2025.
>> Steve Jordahl: Saturday.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Saturday. Yep. There you go.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Hey, she's got a. If she. Whether she gets the position or not, that she may want to run for office on down the road, but she's got a, future on radio.
>> Ed Vitagliano: She's got a good voice.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And she got a future in the Republican party and she knows what she's talking about.
>> Steve Jordahl: We have her on. You can ask her about it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, well, that's for someone who says, down here in Mississippi, I've taken on, you know, y'all fixing to.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And up when I lived up north, you guys gonna. I'm not criticizing someone who says I'm gonna ax them, all right? I got my own things going on. But hey, I like that. I like that story.
Florida passed a law that makes it a misdemeanor to elude immigration officials
>> Tim Wildmon: Next story.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right. The latest, chapter of the federal Judges versus Government, saga. Remember, we've had all these federal Judges in small courts saying imposing nationwide injunctions. Yes, well, this is a little different scope. This is a federal judge, Kathleen Williams, an Obama appointee. Florida passed a law that makes it a misdemeanor for undocumented migrants or illegal migrants to enter Florida by eluding immigration officials. If you try to get in past the immigration officials, it's a, it's a misdemeanor. That doesn't seem very controversial. But Judge Kathleen Williams said, no, you cannot enforce that. So she sent, and she, she said that the block applies to all, local agencies in the whole state. Now, at first, Attorney General, Ulthmyer sent a memo out to his state law enforcement officers telling him to stop enforcing the law because of the court order. But then five days later, he sent another memo saying that the judge was legally wrong and he could not prevent local, police officers from doing, enforcing the law.
>> Ed Vitagliano: This is, I'm just going to say this is just very, very frustrating, okay? On a number of levels. First, it's the left that is creating constitutional crises all over the place. Okay. Because there is no constitutional reason a federal judge should be issuing an injunction on a law like that. That there is no federal, there's no federal ideals at stake here. You're allowed to, you're allowed to create laws that criminalize, even if it's just a misdemeanor for behavior. Okay. There's no federal issue here. Okay? And, I, do you know what the, why this lady judge, issued the injunction?
>> Steve Jordahl: It was not stated in the article or any articles I could find. I don't know where an injunction like that is. You're likely to lose or to win the case, depending on how I, I.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I, I don't know where we're going to wind up in this country. But these activists, it's more than just activist judges. The, these people are, they hate America. They hate America. And I don't know, I don't think Republicans are, have the spine to remove them through impeachment.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, Governor Santis does if he can.
>> Ed Vitagliano: He can't remove federal judge.
>> Tim Wildmon: Federal. Well, you can't short of it, there's nothing you can do about that. That judge, he has to be impeached.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, she, by the way, she, she, but, but I, I certainly hope Florida will appeal this and that should be overturned, overturned quickly. But these federal district judges are doing this all over the country. Congress needs to reign that in. You can do that if you pass a law saying a federal district judge cannot issue an Injunction over the entire nation, I believe should be a no brainer, huh?
>> Steve Jordahl: Couldn't the Supreme Court, instruct its lower court to stick to your own district?
>> Ed Vitagliano: It could.
Oklahoma is considering whether to put up a Catholic charter school
>> Tim Wildmon: Next story.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, today at the Supreme Court we had the arguments in a case, that is going to see whether or not the state of Oklahoma, Oklahoma can put up a religious charter school, a publicly funded charter school that is a Catholic School, St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual School. and they had arguments today at the Supreme Court. now a charter school is a public school, but it's a public school that is set apart, several distinctives. One distinctive is that it has its own board. Ah, of directors. It's not the school. It has its own school board basically. The other is that usually these, these schools are focused on a certain thing, maybe a classical education. In this case it's a Catholic. And the good thing about charter schools is if they fail, they fail. They close.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: Instead of like public schools which can go on failing and failing and failing forever.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right, right.
>> Steve Jordahl: So anyway, we're going to be listening. We did listen. I don't have any clips but we'll probably bring those tomorrow. about which way the court seems to be leaning on whether or not that Ohio can put up, Oklahoma can put up a Catholic charter school.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Now, the Supreme Court over the last couple of decades, I know in 2017 they issued a, ruling in favor of a Lutheran school. But the Supreme Court does seem to be trending towards this view. Okay. And the view is that if a state makes funds available, generally speaking you cannot say except for Christian schools. And I think in the Lutheran, the case of the Lutheran school, this was applying for funds for outside this kind of rubberized surface, near playground equipment. And the Lutheran school said, well if you're making that available, we, we would like to apply for that. And the state said no, you can't, you're, you're a Christian school. And the Lutheran school won that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Because it was a non sectarian purpose.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So this one is going to be a little trickier.
>> Steve Jordahl: It is pushing the envelope because it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Is applying for funds to create a charter school that is Catholic and.
>> Steve Jordahl: Which part of the mission is to evangelize its students in the Catholic faith.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, that, that's going to be trickier.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And but funds come from the government. Is that, that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, the funds come from, from the government. To me the only solution for these kinds of issues really is vouchers. Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: 100%.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And you give. You give education money to every parent for their kids, depending on how many kids they have. And they can spend it any way they want.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And if the Catholic Church here wants to set up a school.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Borderline school choice. Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It would be.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It'd be. It'd be school choice. You can spend that money anywhere.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, that's a slam dunk. That's a win. That's a win across the board. I don't under. That's. I don't understand how both teams aren't in favor of that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, because the Democratic Party is beholden to public school. Didn't you hear unions?
>> Steve Jordahl: Didn't you hear Kathleen? They're godless. Yeah. The. Our new favorite. Texas.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I guess. I guess I was asking a rhetorical question. I meant from an objective, position. I don't understand how both people couldn't say, you go wherever you want to go. I go where I want to go.
>> Tim Wildmon: Like, because the left wingers don't want anybody indoctrinated with Christianity and they watch what.
>> Ed Vitagliano: They would continue indoctrinating kids in public schools.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Not all public schools do that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Their motivation is anti Christian.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: but, so if you had Muslim schools, I don't think they'd care. You know what I'm saying? our Hindu schools.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Or if you teach. Yeah. Or if you have, drag queen story hours or anything like that. No problem.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That had stopped that in a heartbeat. if parents went in to talk to the principal, now they talk to him, they go, well, sorry, the drag queens exist and we're having drag queen story hour. But if the parents said, fine, I'll take my money somewhere else, then the principal has to go, oh, wait a second.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think true school choice to me is you ought to be able to deduct if you, if you, if you pay taxes and it goes towards public education, which we all do.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: then if you have a child who you want to send to a private or Christian school, then you ought to be able to take that off. Your taxes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: well, the only problem.
Steve: Some people say that private school vouchers are hurting public education
>> Ed Vitagliano: Is that there is a substantial percentage of people in this country who don't wind up paying taxes because they don't make enough. You'd still want them to be able to.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, here's what I'm saying. Here's where I get that from. If you're going to tell me that a child cost a certain amount of money.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: To educate annually in your, government school, your public school, just say, okay, well, then, if that's true, that I'm going to have to pay $3,000 out of my checkbook to pay for public education, and I want to send my child to a private school or a Christian school, I should be able to take that amount of money and apply it to that form of education. That's true school choice, in my opinion. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, maybe some state, some states might, but that a lot of people fight back against that. Oh, you're hurting public education. I don't see. How are you hurting public education if you're only taking them. If you're only taking the money that would have otherwise gone to public education, to public education to support my child, you tell me. You see what I'm saying?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: So anyway, next story, Steve.
There's a new game among the press called Trump Trolling
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, what I have up next. Oh, there's a new game in Washington, D.C. among the press. It is called, Trump Trolling or Trump truthing. And, the, press corps was, at it, playing this game with Caroline Levitt.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Can you, by the way, explain to some of our listeners who might not know what trolling means?
>> Steve Jordahl: Trolling means if you say something and you're trying to get a reaction out of people, you don't really mean it. You're just kind, of, poking. Poking at them.
>> Tim Wildmon: Poking the bear.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're wanting to see. You want to get a rise out of, them, Right. You want to see them. you want to see somebody get upset and then laugh about it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Am I right? Yeah, I expounded on that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Go ahead.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well done. well, this is podcaster Brendan Dilley, and he is asking, Caroline Lovett, about if she wants to play this game. Cut three.
Wesley Chess: I think Trump is trolling with Canada and Greenland
>> Ed Vitagliano: I was wondering if you'd indulge me in a quick round of Trump trolling or Trump truthing.
>> Speaker F: Sure, let's do it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Greenland, joining Americ.
>> Speaker F: definitely Trump truthing.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Canada becoming a 51st state.
>> Speaker F: Trump truthing all the way. And the Canadians would benefit greatly. Let me tell you that Eliminating the irs, I, think that is an optimistic goal. And the president. So I would say we're on the side of truthing there for sure. And the president, again, wants to see tax cuts, and he wants to see this massive revenue that we can gain from tariffs as well, which will create the External Revenue Service. So that's a definitive goal for sure.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And Most importantly, Trump 2028.
>> Speaker F: Trump trolling. Although the Hats are flying off the shelves.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, listen, I, I don't believe for a minute, first of all, her job is to protect the administration, put things in a light that is beneficial to the Trump administration. I personally, I personally think that Canada becoming the 51st state and Greenland becoming a part of the U.S. i think those are, I think those are trolling. But she can't say that she was.
>> Tim Wildmon: Trolling because she think she was. True.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, because I think, I think Trump now on Greenland, I might go half and half. I think if he could make that happen, he would, you know, there.
>> Tim Wildmon: Excuse me, Ran up and I was looking at, you know, so many 50,000 citizens.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. And they all live on the Green List.
>> Steve Jordahl: We can take them.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, we could take them.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, all. They got a few fishing boats to come at us.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know what I'm saying? We could, yeah, send a submarine in there, take it over.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But I, I think, I think she, she's forced to say he's truthing, all the way. Well, because he's still kind of. She, he, he has to be the one to say, look, I'm just kidding about Canada becoming the 2051st.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's ridiculous.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Why does he say that?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Hold on, let's move on to the master.
>> Tim Wildmon: Come on, maga, bring it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: What about the last one when she, when, when she laughed and said, that's obviously trolling.
>> Steve Jordahl: He's not going to run for,
>> Tim Wildmon: She wasn't talking about everything he just listed. Yeah, she, she was saying he's trolling when he says he's going to run for president again.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I know. That's. Yeah. And that's. He is trolling.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. So what's, what do you, what's your point?
>> Steve Jordahl: she can say he's trolling there and he's still saying it. Why can't she? Because he's trolling with Canada.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Because it's illegal. I mean, you can't. The constitution forbids it. So she's come. she's probably safe in saying he's just kidding. He's just, he can't hold out again.
>> Tim Wildmon: You can't be president three times.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Both more. Two times. Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You can't be elected three times. You can.
>> Tim Wildmon: So why did you say wait a minute or four? Why did you say wait a minute?
>> Wesley Wildmon: The reason I said wait a minute is because she, I think I, I don't. I think that she did say that he's trolling. Because that's such an obvious one.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right, right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, but she, But Ed's saying she wasn't. She said Trump is serious about taking over Canada and Greenland.
>> Wesley Wildmon: No, I don't.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, what did I say wrong?
>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't know.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I. It's just funny the way you put it. But that is what he. Now, I think he's saying Canada should voluntarily be.
>> Tim Wildmon: Now, I.
>> Ed Vitagliano: He's got plans, but it's never going to happen.
>> Tim Wildmon: That is why he's sending those spider jets up to Michigan. You think that's coincidental?
>> Ed Vitagliano: I think you're trolling now.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I think there's more strategy to him saying Canada's 50 40.
>> Tim Wildmon: Chess Wesley, 42.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I think there's more strategy to that than saying that he can become president in 2028. I think that. I think that's a loser. I think there.
Some cards to be played with Greenland being the 52nd state
I think there's some, Some cards to be played with Greenland being the 52nd.
>> Tim Wildmon: I do think with Greenland, he's, he would like to. The United States to own Greenland so that we could have access to a lot of, their natural resources, which.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Is why I don't.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, I don't, I don't. I don't fault him for trying for that.
>> Steve Jordahl: It's also, strategic militarily.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I don't fault him for saying that.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So. So she wrong for saying truthing?
>> Tim Wildmon: No, no, she's right. And I agree with. I think she, taken, over, Manitoba and Saskatchewan and Ottawa. I, don't think that's,
>> Wesley Wildmon: no, but it's.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think that. I think that is ridiculous to even talk in those terms, making Canada our 51st.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's why I think he's trolling. I will.
>> Tim Wildmon: You said he's being truthful.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I would agree with you on. That's why I said it may be 50, 50. If, if Greenland wanted to become a part of the United States, Trump would say yes.
>> Steve Jordahl: Let me quickly. we're all talking. The media is all talking about whether Canada has become the 51st state, and they're not talking about the Department of Education going away. You think it's a distraction?
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, first I heard of that, and you gave us 30 seconds.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I will say tomorrow, Trump is very smart in that way about deflection, and doing something over here. And in that sense, sometimes it is.
>> Tim Wildmon: Kind of like taking over Canada is kind of like changing the Gulf to Gulf of America.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, but he actually did.
>> Ed Vitagliano: He actually did that.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know, but it's, it's the same type. You go, what? Wait, yeah, can't do that. Of course he did do that, too, so. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we thank you for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow for more of today's issues. Have a great day.
