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Please be praying for everyone still under arctic freeze across the country

Jenna Ellis: Good morning. It is Tuesday, January 27th, and be praying for everyone across the country who is still under this arctic freeze, here in the free state, state of Florida. We think that should be more of a flavor that you get, you know, driving through and getting a, getting a drink rather than describing the weather. But it is actually really cold here in Florida, but nothing like the rest of the country is experiencing. I know that, a lot of my fellow colleagues in Tupelo, Mississippi where our headquarters is based, are without power and you know, really having a rough time. I know there's a lot of other people across the country, so please be praying for them. We are thankful to be live today, with my great producers Devin and Adam, coming in to the studio that at least does have power. So, hopefully that will get resolved pretty soon. But a lot to talk about, over the weekend.

Second ICE related shooting in Minneapolis gives left something to talk about

And then you know, of course yesterday when we were out, so much going on and of course the top headline that everyone is paying attention to is Minneapolis and the civil unrest that appears to be going on there. now with a second, ICE related shooting. And first of all, isn't it fascinating that somehow this just suddenly starts happening and gives Governor Tim Walls and Mayor Jacob Frey something else to talk about besides the Somali daycare fraud. Remember the, the leering center and you know, all of that that, that for maybe five minutes was in the news and ah, Tim Walsh said he wouldn't seek reelection. what's, what's going on with that? Well, Republicans of course are always very easily distracted. And it's not to say that we shouldn't talk about, ice, about mass deportations, about, you know, the right to carry to a protest. We'll get to that in a minute. but it just seems to me to be very, very convenient that whenever the left needs a distraction from themselves and they're getting negative press, suddenly a situation occurs that draws nat national headlines and puts the focus back squarely on Trump and what he and his secretaries are doing. so I just think that that's, that's not coincidental. And we've seen that even since Trump's first term. We've seen that even through the, Biden administration. But this feels like shades of 2020. this really feels like, what happened during all of those, remember, you know, mostly peaceful protests when CNN had that lower third and there was literally fire in the background. And they're like, we're fine, guys. You know, it's fine. this feels in a similar situation to what we were experiencing back then, when they were telling you, you know, don't believe your lying eyes, just believe whatever the narrative is.

Chaz: People rush to judgment when videos of police use force surface

And so we need to talk about this from a couple of different perspectives. First of all, that it's never as simple as if you're a Republican, then everything Trump does and his deputies, you know, including Secretary Noman, ice, and every single law enforcement officer good and, everyone on the left bad. And if you're a Democrat and you're on the left, then everything that these, agitators do, perfectly legitimate, morally justified, reasonable, and Trump bad. Right. It is never that simple. And we should be more astute to understand the nuance that goes into any situation. when people rush to judgment, especially on social media, when these videos first come out, there are so many more facts. There are, people, you know, on the ground that are actually part of the situation. And, and we can't just rush to judgment or rush to the defense of our particular side without having some undergirding principles about why exactly we are arguing, for a specific situation. Because if it's truly justified, in terms of law enforcement's, force back, then we need to argue that from a rational, principled perspective and then take the facts and as they are, and apply those facts to the principles. But sometimes it's true that law enforcement can use excessive force and they can be unjustified. And, we can't just rush to judgment one way or another, because we may in principle be in favor of border security, mass, deportations, you know, all of the things that are part of the Trump mandate. It doesn't mean that if there is one situation or one officer that uses excessive force, then you can say, okay, well, you know, Trump just needs to leave Minneapolis altogether. And you know, everything that ICE does is not okay and go so far as to have that conclusion. We need to be reasonable here, which is not what anybody in any sort of pundit sphere. It's not what the media wants to, it's not what social media wants to do. But we need to remember to actually look at the facts but always remember before a situation what our principles are. And you know, just from kind of a 30,000 foot perspective looking at everything going on today and you know, with the kind of shades of 2020 and you know, I was recalling when some people last night on media were talking about you know, the, the insurrection act and Trump sending Tom Homan in now to quell the situation, all of this and it was reminding me of the. Chaz. Do you remember that back in, in 2020 when there was that, you know, place near I think it was near. It was Portland or Seattle, you know, one of those that they were actually staking like a new territory and saying we're seceding from the United States and they like built borders. Which is actually kind of funny if you think about it in that context. It's like, hey, these are our borders and this is now like the nation of Chaz. And Trump had to deal with that situation and ultimately that did resolve. But as people are talking about this and we're continuing to see this type of civil unrest and we're continuing to just see the, what I think is the devolving situation of morality across the country. It really reminds me of Romans 1 and I wanted to start this morning, reading that because I think as we look at what's going on in the headlines, we look and try to fact gather before we render judgment. We have our principles, we look at the law and the Constitution. You know, all of that is conservatives. We also have to remember to undergird our entire view from a view and a lens of Scripture. And when God is talking about the wrath on the unrighteousness, it's just so prevalent today. And so of course the Apostle Paul who is writing Romans, starts in verse 16 saying, and this is a very famous verse that you will know. For I'm not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek, for in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith. As it is written, the just shall live by faith. But then it goes on to say, for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness. Because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead. So that they are without excuse. Because although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God, nor were they thankful, but became futile in their thoughts and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man and birds and four footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them, up to uncleanliness and the lusts of their hearts to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another. Men with men committing what is shameful and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error, which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind to do things which are not fitting, being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil mindedness. They are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful, who, knowing the righteous judgment of God that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same, but also approve of those who practice them. That describes our society right now. I mean that, that literally describes the people who are so corrupted that they exchanged the truth of God, which is manifest in creation, for a lie. And God is giving them over to a debased mind. And if you're wondering why it's really difficult to have a reasoned, nuanced conversation about any of this, about politics, about culture, about, I mean, anything you want to think of, any of these issues that are going on today, it is because it is impossible to argue with someone rationally who is coming from the perspective of a debased mind. And you know, some would, would call that being unregenerate. the, the grace of God and the common grace. Even before a person becomes saved, we can use logic, we can use rational thought, we can look at the world around us and creation. But if you are not filled with the Holy Spirit and you are not saved, ultimately there comes a point in time where your thought process will come up against the truth of God. And that's where the unregenerate, unsaved person will not be able to rationally move forward with truth. But they're not seeking truth. And, and this is the, the whole point. So I, I used to think when I was younger that and this was very bright eyed and bushy telled of me that if I only expressed the truth to someone, they would say, oh thank you. I wasn't thinking of it like that. That makes a lot of sense and agree because truth is just so manifestly apparent in the reality to which we're presented. But what it took a while for me to learn and discover is that there are a lot of people that fundamentally are not seeking truth. And you can persuade some to seek truth first and then come into a knowledge of truth. And there are many though who are not seeking truth for a lot of different reasons. And the primary reason though is what Romans 1 says, that they exchanged the truth of God for the lie. What is the lie? I mean, a lot of scholars and pastors and theologians have talked about this. You know, the lie, because it's not a lie as in, you know, multiple different perspectives. But if you go all the way back to Genesis and look at the garden, what is the lie that the serpent told Eve? Did God really say it was exchanging the truth for the lie? The lie of questioning God, rejecting the person of truth and saying you can become like God, and that is literally the idol of the age, is to exchange the truth of God, the person of God, our identity as revealed in Christ, for the lie that we can question God. We can question, you know, did God really say and exchange his truth for the lie that we can create reality in our image instead of God. And so when Romans says then they did not like to retain God in their knowledge and God gave them over to the debased mind to do all the things that aren't fitting. Well, if you're rejecting the truth of God and exchanging it for the lie, then if you're rejecting truth, anything is on the table, anything that there Is there is no such thing that, no standard objectively of morality or of ethics or of even, even natural law. I mean, when you can say that we can't say what a woman is, we don't know what what the difference is between the two sexes, that is exchanging the truth for the lie that God himself did not say that he made us male and female. I mean truth is wrapped up completely in the reality of a creator and who has revealed himself to us through his creation, but also his specific revelation of scripture that we can know him from, know the truth and live in light of the truth. Nobody who is exchanging that truth for the lie is interested in truth. Now we can, and this is why we should evangelize and we should try to bring those who are living in the lie into a saving knowledge of the truth. But when we try to persistently argue with them, about a lot of these top level issues and policy and you know, you wonder why Republicans, can go and basically defect from conservatism and anything that looks remotely like what they alleged to stand for during their campaign and go and vote with the Democrats on any given issue. And funding a lot of things in this last bill that they pushed through. Was it Friday or Saturday night that pushed through, you know, DEI policies and funding for all kinds of things, you wonder. Well, that doesn't seem to follow along with what, what you have, have said and represented yourself to be. Well, it's because they are not actively, those individuals aren't actively seeking to live in. So exp. Political expediency, the transactional nature of Washington, the willingness to prioritize, getting ahead, however they define it, overdoing what's right, having a malleable definition of right, all of those things are then on the table and they don't see anything wrong with it. Because the very definition of wrong has to be in light of the truth, of what is right, of who is right.

Jenna Ellis: Our society has exchanged truth for the lie

And so as we're talking about all of these headlines, I just want to bring it back to the foundation that there is truth in God and then there is the lie. And we have to be very, very aware of how much our society has exchanged truth for the lie and believing that we can create our own truth and reality and idols and governments and families and redefinitions of human beings and all of this stuff separate and apart from truth. That's what we're actually contending against. This is why it is a spiritual battle. This is why it is a battle for truth. And we cannot ever separate the policies of civil government that we're advocating for from a biblical worldview. Otherwise, we are not ultimately advocating for truth, for objective morality in society. We are simply arguing for whatever we happen to prefer and that we may have valid arguments for preferences. But to suggest that a certain policy is a preference because it does the most good in society, for example, that, you know, a lot of, well, ah meaning conservatives suggest that doesn't go far enough when you are contending against evil. They have exchanged the truth, who God is for the lie. And we'll take a break here, so that I don't continue to go way over and, Devin and Adam don't, you know, yell in my ear that we need to stop. But we will take a break here and we will be right back with more here on Jenna Ellis in the Morning, to talk more about the headlines.

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Some people are taking Biblical verses out of context when discussing Minneapolis immigration issues

Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And we are still talking about, what's going on in Minneapolis. And from a foundational perspective, that we first need to recognize that all truth is bound up in the person of God and given by our Creator, and we understand who we are in light of Him. And as we build up our principles for viewing, how we should view law and policy and politics and culture, we build up from a biblical worldview. And I actually had a question from, from a friend yesterday because she was seeing, a lot of the, these social media posts from everybody talking about Minneapolis and ICE and immigration enforcement and stuff that is really taking out of context Leviticus 19:33 to 34 and, and asking, okay, well, you know, what's the response to that? Because some of these people are saying, well, the Bible says that you have to welcome the Sojourner. And and so that according to these posts, means that we can't, deport illegal immigrants. Like, that's their conclusion based on Leviticus. So let's actually read this portion and Leviticus 19, by the way, the entire. I mean, don't proof text scripture. Don't take one verse out of context and forget what, what came before and what comes after the portion that you're citing. Because, so many of these people on social media in the left, would like to only take out what they prefer without seeing the context. This is why, the Matthew, that person Matthew that says, judge not, and then they scribble out the rest of the entire chapter. Right? It's just judge not. You can't judge. You've got to affirm everything that I do. And they want to proof text, proof text the words of Jesus. And so my favorite response to that is, I'm always amused to hear what you think the God you don't believe in requires of me. Right. I'll say that again. I'm always amused to hear what you think the God that you don't believe in requires of me. Because the people who are quoting these verses in, the Bible and posting them on social media and going, well, look, the Bible even says they could care less. They're not following Scripture, they don't believe in God. I mean, again, this is a generalization. Maybe even some Christians are posting this, which is actually even more scary that they're not in church or their pastor isn't teaching them the truth of these things. But the vast majority of these accounts that I see online, if you look at the rest of what they're posting, they're not advocating for truth, a biblical worldview. They're not Christian, they're not believing in God. They're just Saying, haha, Christians, look, you can't argue for mass deportations because your own Bible says right. And isn't this another part of the lie? Did your God not say right? And look, look at Leviticus 19. That's what they're doing. And so we need to remind them that you know, we're amused to hear what you think the God that you don't believe in requires of me. Right? We don't go to the left and we don't go to non Christians to exposit Scripture for us and, and have them tell us what God says to us. I don't borrow my theology from non Christians or from the wisdom of the age, right? I go to God himself and I don't let them say, look, this is what your God says, right?

Some Christians are using Leviticus 19 to argue against illegal immigration

So let's talk about that though, because some Christians unfortunately are also using Leviticus 19, to suggest that Christians can't argue for deportation of illegals and borders of nations and all of these things also for the Christian, isn't it interesting that they don't want to for these types of Christians? A lot of them very woke Christians, some of them I would suggest are probably Christians in name only, and look at the rest of their life. Are they pro, you know, well, I'm not, I'm not going to ever, tell, you know, I would, I wouldn't personally have an abortion, but I'm not going to tell another woman that that's not her choice. You know, those kinds of Christians, we've all met them. The people who say, well you know, I just believe that God, wouldn't have created somebody gay because, you know, love is love and that kind of wishy washy nonsense. I mean those are people who are Christians in name only. They're clearly not following scripture. And so if they claim that Leviticus now is binding on what the nation of the United States of America in 2026, should be doing related to immigration law, then we need to ask them, well, what other Old Testament Levitical laws are binding? Are you part of the priesthood? Like are you, you know, the moral and ceremonial laws. That's actually what chapter 19 is titled, Moral and ceremonial laws. And because it starts out by saying, and this is where the context is important, chapter 19, verse one says, and the Lord spoke to Moses saying, speak, speak to all the congregation of the children of Israel and say to them, you shall be holy, for I, the Lord your God am holy. And then it goes on to basically list the Levitical law. That's the book of Leviticus is the law that was given to the Jews, specifically the nation of Israel. Now the moral and ceremonial laws that were given to the nation of Israel, God himself. And truth doesn't change. And so moral law is still the same for us in 2026. And the old Testament is not irrelevant to the Christian. We don't just preach out of the NewSong Testament in churches, because obviously we need to understand not only the context and the entire scope of Scripture and how God himself created the institution of the family, one man, one woman, all of those things. But those moral m issues and those truths are part of the reality to which we're presented. And those things don't change. Those, those are not laws specifically given to one nation, but ceremonial laws that are like the priesthood. And you know, some of these things that the, the Jews were required to do in terms of what they wore, no, no mixed garments, you know, some of those things, those things don't apply to us today. And we have to be very careful to understand the difference between the two. And of course these social media posts aren't going into this great of detail. Right. And so verse 33, which is what they're posting, says this. And if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him. The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself. For you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God. All right, so this one verse is constantly pulled out of context to argue that Christians have to support illegal immigration. So we need to always do what Christians should do, read scripture in context, apply it consistently, biblically, and then also in our nation of the United States of America, constitutionally, because morality supersedes everything, and that is always the highest law that we are to adhere to. And then our supreme law of our land is the United States Constitution. And so that's not binding law, the U.S. constitution. I wouldn't cite that to someone who was in a, in a nation prior to America's existence or to a. Another country to say that the US Constitution is binding on them any more than, you know, the, the Constitution of any other foreign nation is binding on us. So what Leviticus 19 though, is actually talking about is God giving civil law and ceremonial law to Israel as a nation state. But these laws also assume defined borders, citizenship, courts, enforcement. And they talk about the sojourner or the visitor. And it's actually someone who is a lawfully present foreigner, someone who's entered with permission, lived under Israel's laws, accepted Israel's legal authority. And so this isn't an endorsement of lawlessness to say, you know, you must accept the sojourner and whatever he does, you know, hey, you gotta, put down, you know, any sort of, objection you might have. And you can let them override your entire country, your family, take whatever they want, do whatever they want, because, you know, hey, you gotta love them, right? It's an instruction on how to treat those who were not born Jews, who were at the time Gentiles. Right? And so the same, the same chapter, the same law code is in Leviticus 24, 22. You shall have the same law for the sojourner and for the native. So the point is that biblical compassion, or to say, oh, we need to, you know, not deport all these immigrants. We need to just accept them and love them. No, the Bible says that compassion or love for someone never exempts them from the law. The rest of Leviticus is talking about the laws, the civil law for the nation of Israel. And so by definition, people who come into this country who are breaking our laws are subject to that and subject to the consequence of for breaking the laws. And the Bible repeatedly affirms, law, affirms order and a civil, morally upright society. Civil authority is God ordained. Romans 13. Governing authorities are established by God. That's talking about the church government, the family government, and the civil government. And borders are not sinful. Acts 17, 26. Now we're in the NewSong Testament, right? God determines the boundaries of nations. Lawlessness is condemned. Scripture distinguishes between loving the stranger and rewarding unlawful behavior. So the Bible of course, commands mercy from the individual and the church, but never chaos from a disordered or lacking in authority civil government. So applying this to modern immigration laws, a nation without borders can't protect its citizens, can't steward resources, can't enforce justice, cannot be a moral and upright society. And biblical consistency, that truth that we're talking about, the truth of God is that we have clear laws and we can absolutely have secure borders. We can have enforcement of those laws. So a system that rewards lawbreaking ultimately harms the citizens of that country and is not moral ultimately as a legitimate civil government that is enforcing its authority and is exercising its duty and responsibility under God's authority to establish justice. I mean, this is why our founders talked about establishing justice, ensuring m domestic tranquility. All of these things that they said, you know, in our preamble, to our highest, law of the land, the Supreme Court, why we want to establish justice. And this means that just because, you know, somebody out on Instagram is plucking this verse out of context and is saying, oh, you know, treat them with compassion, why can't everybody be here? Well, that doesn't understand and take into context the obligation of a legitimate civil government to enforce the law, enforce boundaries, and ensure that people who violate our law and break our law are punished accordingly. Now, you know, punishment doesn't have to mean that you're mean to them or that you're intentionally cruel. You know, some of these things. We can enforce our law with compassion and at times, mercy. And we see judges all the time. You know, be merciful to people who appear before them. But that doesn't mean that we as Christians can't advocate for strong borders. And so from a constitutional perspective, the US Constitution assigns immigration authority to the federal government. in Article 1, Section 8, Article 1 is all legislative authority is given to Congress. Right? So they're the only ones that can create law. And then section 8 lists all of the different subject matter that Congress can legislate on. And there's very few, by the way. they can't just. The Congress can't just pass, and they do, unfortunately, but they actually can't constitutionally pass any law in any topic or subject matter that they prefer. they are limited by the Constitution to only laws that fit within their designated specific, limited powers. And one of those specific powers is to create laws on a uniform rule of immigration and naturalization. It exists to provide for the common defense, secure liberty for our people, and to have a uniform rule so that California and NewSong York aren't being these, you know, compassionate, quote unquote, humanitarian, quote unquote, and bringing in a lot of people. When Florida would secure its borders and would have a different rule, obviously of immigration. Right. This needs to be a uniform, because we are one nation with states and, you know, the laboratories of democracy and all of that. But the federal government and the reason for the Supremacy Clause is so that there are some things that are uniform between all the states, because these are issues that by definition necessarily affect all of the states, and they can't be different from state to state. Things like immigration matter. So when you have this objection on Instagram and saying, well, wait a minute, you know, your God says, this is what Leviticus says, we need to remember what the truth is. Leviticus 19 does not demand open borders, does not demand that we don't punish or enforce the law against illegal immigration.

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FBI Director Cash Patel says you shouldn't carry gun to peaceful protest

welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.

Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And we're still talking about the situation in Minneapolis, how to think through this truthfully. First of all, from a truth of God as the author of all things, the authority on all things, the truth, and not exchange the truth for the lie, and how we need to think through some of these issues. Well, relatedly to this, the, last thing I want to cover today that is very important, is this clip that, has been going around on social media that you've probably seen from FBI Director Cash Patel saying that you shouldn't carry a firearm to a peaceful protest unless you are intending on committing a crime or killing someone. let's break this down. But first, this is what he had to say on Fox News.

 : As Christie said, you cannot bring a firearm loaded with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want. It's that simple. You don't have that right to break the law and incite violence. We will, of course, always protect your First Amendment speech. And if you peacefully protest, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But you have seen a trend here, not just in Minnesota, but across the country, in these protests turning into violent scenarios and people attacking law enforcement. That's when you go over the line, and that's when law enforcement steps in.

Jenna Ellis: Okay, so he's, really wrong about the exercising of your constitutionally protected right to have and carry a firearm. But he's right in a sense that if you incite violence, if you impede law enforcement, if, you break a law, then, of course, you are subject to penalties. And this is where then the whole excessive Force and justified force conversation can come in when you have the law enforcement, actually kill now two individuals in two different circumstances, in Minnesota. But let's go back first of all to the second Amendment. we have to remember before we even engage in this discussion, what is our Bill of Rights? well, you know, it's the, the first 10amendments to the U.S. constitution that remind Congress, just in case you weren't clear, these are fundamental protected, God given, pre political rights that every human being made in the image of God has equally, you cannot touch or infringe upon. And these, these things are fundamental right. So even if the second Amendment, which protects my right to lawfully bear arms, even if that were repealed tomorrow, that would not change the status of my right, your right as pre political and God given. This is basically a redundancy protection that identifies some rights that the founders believed were so fundamental to liberty in a well ordered society that they specifically enumerated them in the text of the Bill of Rights. And of course our Constitution has been amended 27 times in our nation's history. you know, we can talk about some of those other amendments at a different day. But when we're talking about the Bill of Rights, we're talking about our first 10amendments including the second amendment. And so Cash Patel also references the First Amendment and free speech, freedom of the press, you know, everything that's encompassed, the five rights in the First Amendment. But again it is not my first Amendment right to free exercise of religion. It is my God given pre political fundamental right as a human being made in the image of God that the first Amendment preserves and protects. So do you see that difference? We can't term our rights as constitutional as if they are derivative from the US Constitution and therefore subject to amendment right. We have to insist on the reality and the truth that our rights are pre political and God given. And that my government here in the United States simply recognizes that truth and by the law, in the US Constitution is required to preserve and protect my rights. Okay, so this, this is the framework that we need to start. When somebody talks about gun rights, you need to first establish a baseline. Well, okay, what do you think that that means? And at least start with the fundamental understanding and agreement that the right for self defense, the right to keep and bear arms, that is pre political. It is not a second Amendment right. It is a fundamental right the second Amendment preserves and protects. Okay, M. So we're, when we're talking about the right to keep and bear arms when then, contextually, when Kash Patel says, you can't carry a loaded gun to a peaceful protest, or to a protest at all, he's absolutely wrong on that. And as some have pointed out on social media, there's a clip from a few years ago where he was actually on television defending Kyle Rittenhouse for carrying a gun, to a protest. Do you remember that? Well, what's the difference? And I think that that question needs to be asked of him to say our rights don't change depending on who we're for or against. I mean, obviously, we are for the citizens rights, and we are also for law enforcement. And a citizen exercising lawfully their second amendment constitutionally protected rights does not negate the fact that we are also for law enforcement. And law enforcement's duty and obligation is to protect a civil society. It's not choosing one or the other. Either I'm for my right to keep and bear arms, or I'm for law enforcement. No, you need to be both. And, we absolutely are for our rights to keep and bear arms, and we are absolutely for law enforcement. Now, are my constitutionally protected rights as absolute? No. Even the right to life is not absolute. If I first commit a crime, that then the punishment by the civil government takes away that freedom. That would be the death penalty. Right. I am 100% for, the. For Charlie Kirk's killer getting the death penalty. That is a moral and upright society that would say if you intentionally, without justification, take the life of a human being, then the only possible just consequence is for the death penalty to be imposed. Right. So all of our rights are subject, in a sense, to our actions and our behaviors. And so if we are exercising our rights, the government can't just come in and say, well, we think you're gonna break, the law further down the road. So we're gonna take your. Your guns away, we're going to take your free speech away, we're going to take, you know, whatever, your liberties away, your rights away, and shift the burden on you to have to defend yourself as to why you should be able to exercise them. No, that's. That would be a pre. Crime enforcement. And that's why, there are actually more enumerated protections in our Bill of Rights in a. In the context of the criminal justice system, to ensure that due process means that the government has to first prove the allegations against you by the standard, by a legal standard. And for criminal cases, that's beyond any and all reasonable doubt, before they can infringe or take away, your liberty. So it's not that it's unjust infringement. That is different than imposing a consequence for your action. Right. So to suggest somehow that the government can never take away your liberties and say, well, you know, there's. There's a time if the government ever takes away my guns, that's unconstitutional. No, if you. There are. There are many times where, people who have committed felonies, if they are found guilty or plead guilty to a crime, one of the collateral consequences and the imposition of judgment is to say, now, for this duration, you can't own firearms. And whether or not, you know, that's just and reasonable, we can debate that. But, that means that the government has first successfully convicted you of a crime. Right. So for these, for these observers, or whether they're agitators or for whatever purpose, the government can't presume that just because you show up at a protest and you have a loaded weapon that you're there to incite violence, cause harm, or to break the law. That's just simply not true. And so, we need to be very careful. And I'm glad to see that there are a lot of conservatives who understand their gun rights that are pushing back against Cash Patel. They're not just saying, well, he's the Trump appointee, so therefore he's right. Right. we can't just assume that people who are on our side, quote, unquote, that are in office are always correct on this. But we can also understand how the, the. The gun control debate and the protection of law enforcement also exists simultaneously with our right to keep and bear arms. Because when and if a vigilante, or an. An armed mob does interfere or obstruct lawful police operations, then they are by definition committing a crime. And so law enforcement can step in at that point.

Jenna Franklin: I think we should be very careful about jumping to conclusions

And what exactly happened with, you know, both of these two killings in, Minnesota? That's where I don't think that we should jump to conclusions. I've watched the videos on both of these. I have my personal opinions on, you know, on both of these. But the point for today is that even if the individual was bringing a firearm to a, to a protest, they were caring, justly, and constitutionally, then if you impede law enforcement, you refuse to obey instructions, then law enforcement can stop you and they can step in. But can they? And did they use excessive force? Those are questions that, that ultimately need to be determined. because just because you impede law enforcement doesn't always justify them shooting you. Right. thankfully. So we need to be very careful how we are analyzing these things and recognizing that probably even with all the videos and stuff that's now widely available on social media, we may not always have all of the facts. And so before just getting into these tribal, you know, sort of siloed perspectives that ICE is always right or the left saying protesters always correct. And you know, this is just such a tragedy you're seeing, you know, all of these people that are basically, you know, putting up these two individuals like George Floyd in 2020. We have to remind them first and foremost we have rights that are pre political. God given. The second amendment preserves and protects those rights. The first Amendment preserves and protects the right to be there, to, to protest peacefully against our government, to speak out, all of those things. And we don't give up that right just because ICE is in Minnesota trying to enforce our borders against illegal immigration. We don't give up our rights. Absent individually breaking the law. They can't, ICE can't look and just say, well you know, this whole group collectively must be irresponsible and therefore we're going to suspend, suspend their constitutionally protected rights. It does not work that way in this country. So we need to first and foremost understand what truth is, what God requires, build up our principles from there, understand the US Constitution and context, and then take what we see on the news, on the media and be able to compare the facts to the law and to truth. As always, you can reach me and my team. Jenna Franklin. PreBorn's whole mission is to rescue babies from abortion and lead their families to Christ. Last year PreBorn's network of clinics saw 8,900 mothers come to Christ. Please join us in this life saving mission. To donate, go to preborn.com afr.

In this thought-provoking episode of Jenna Ellis in the Morning, Jenna highlights the remarkable achievements of PreBorn, a pro-life organization that has rescued over 67,000 babies through the power of free ultrasounds. With a call to action, she urges listeners to consider how a $28 donation can significantly increase a baby's chance at life. The conversation shifts to the current civil unrest in Minneapolis, where Jenna analyzes the implications of recent ICE-related shootings. Drawing parallels to past events, she discusses the complexities of political narratives and the importance of understanding the nuances behind law enforcement actions. Jenna emphasizes the need for a biblical worldview to navigate today's moral landscape, referencing Romans 1 to illustrate the consequences of exchanging truth for lies in society. As they explore the intersections of faith, politics, and justice, Jenna and her audience are reminded of the imperative to stand firm in truth.