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Fire Away Friday on American Family Radio takes your Bible questions

Alex McFarland: Its Fire Away Friday on Exploring the Word. This is your chance to ask us your Bible question at 888-589-8840. That's 888-589-8840. You can also email your question@wordfr.net or visit facebook.com exploring the word. It's Fire Away Friday on American Family Radio. Well, the number is. I'm giving that number right out of the block so you can get in the queue and lines are open. It is Fire Away Friday. We take any and all Bible questions. Bert Harper and I, Alex McFarland, we will do our best to give you a biblical answer. And speaking of answers, you know, In Colossians chapter 4, verse 6, God's Word says this. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. And the word there in Colossians 4. 6, the word to give an answer is very much like other passages in the NewSong Testament about presenting, explaining, even if need be, defending the faith. And Bert, you and I, we are privileged. For many years, we've been doing our best with God's help, by God's word, to give an answer. And we love it when the church is prepared to do that, don't we?

Bert Harper: We really do. And we not only want to give an answer, part of our responsibilities is help others have an answer. Because as leaders, as ministers of the gospel, we, are to equip. And part of the equipping is helping have the answer. It doesn't mean we know it all. We do not. But we do know that the Word of God is true. And if we find that in the Word of God, we, we stand on it, we speak on it, and then we share it with others. So we speak, we stand, we share. And that's what we want to do on exploring the Word. And it's been a joy. and we, want to continue doing that. So when you call in at 888-589-8840, we want to hear your question. And, we praise God. By the way, Alex, there's another thing we do. We do take prayers, but, but we also, one of the things that really enjoy doing is hearing praises of what God has done and is doing. those are blessings as well, aren't they?

Alex McFarland: Well, they really are. And I've got a blessing here. we've prayed for my friend, Pastor Robert Carnegie. he had heart surgery on Wednesday. I got a text and a picture of him recovering. And I think he's he's doing well. and, you know, one of the nice things about this, all across America, people in many states, many, communities and cities and radio network, you know, radio stations, I should say, you might not meet each other this side of eternity, but we'll have people call in with prayer requests and others, they'll call in and they'll say, I'm praying for this one or that one. Many, many people. When I mentioned my friend Robert Carnegie, people said, you tell him I'm praying for him. And, there'll be a great reunion day in heaven where we can share all the great testimonies. But, Bert, isn't it special, as you called it years ago, you know, America's largest Sunday school class. But, we might not meet this side of heaven, but we can lift each other up. And we rejoice in the way God answers.

Bert Harper: We really do. And what a joy it is. And we do feel like this. It is a small group, whatever you call your small group, some call it connection groups. Sunday school, that's the one that Alex and I, we kind of go back further than some people do. And it was Sunday school, but it's a small group where we pray for one another, we share with one another, we open the word of God, and many times, guess what's happened? The teacher learns something from the question or a comment that a student makes. And that's also been the case here on, exploring the Word. And we have people that are calling in. We still have, lines that are open that. That number. 888-589-8840. Alex, you ready to go to the questions?

Alex McFarland: let's do it. Let's do it. This is Fire Away Friday. Bert, where do we begin?

Bert Harper: Let's go to the great state of Virginia. Is it a commonwealth or a state in Virginia? I forget. I think it's a state. But anyway, Joanne from Virginia. Thank you, Joanne, for calling

Caroline: Burden. Alex, it's actually a commonwealth.

Bert Harper: Okay. I was questioning myself. Thank you, Joanne, for helping me with my history. I thought it might be. Go right ahead.

Caroline: Ah. Alex, I actually met you. My husband and I met you last year at the COVID and it was a pleasure to be there. We really enjoyed it. And Bert, I hope someday to meet you.

Bert Harper: Hey, as Alex said, if not down here, up there. Joanne, we'll meet.

Alex McFarland: Well, God bless you. Thank you for coming to the COVID

Caroline: Well, we thoroughly enjoyed it. I have really a church question, not necessarily a Bible question, and I was hoping that maybe you all could give us some biblical guidance. My husband and I are longtime members of a church here locally in our hometown. but the church has changed quite a bit over the years. We're down basically. Our pastor is part time. He's here two, half a days, basically. So he's not even like a member of the community. We have an average attendance of about 75 to 80 people, but we have 21 deacons and most of them are women. the church has basically lost its mission and its ministry. The way that I see it, in the way that I feel. my husband and I both are Sunday school teachers in the church and we have long term relationships with a lot of the people there. Now the rub is we're associated with another church that's also local, that's very biblical, and the people are basically disciples in the community. I mean, their pastor teaches them to be disciples and they go out, they do a lot of outreach, a lot of, you know, just work in the community for the Lord. And we're like caught between these two churches, wanting to go to the other church but finding it hard to leave the church that we've been in for so long and have such deep relationships with. Can you give us some guidance on that?

Bert Harper: Joanne? Let me say this first. As a pastor, for many, many years, I saw people struggle with those questions, praise the Lord. Most of the time it was people that were struggling with a church that they did not necessarily know for sure if they should stay there or come to the one where we were. Let me give you this, and this is what I share. You've got two things in play, Alex, and you disagree. And you put priorities on this. You're talking about being fed and then you're talking about serving. Now, sometimes at churches that maybe be weak, you have to nearly feed yourself. And that's where, Let me just give a plug for exploring the Word in afr. That's where we can, I feel like, come in if someone's at a church. Now, I'm not talking about being completely unbiblical again, but we're. They're the church and they're serving, but they're not being fed as they much again, they get into the word, but in, in a way they supplement it. And I believe AFR is one of the ways that you can do that. The other is, okay, where, where not only can you serve, but where is it possible for me to look at what is being done? And God is saying to me, move on. You never dig your roots. Listen to this closely. You never, you never dig your roots so deep that when God transplants you, that it's catastrophic. So God may transplant you to another place. If that happens, he will give that church that you're leaving strength, and he'll give church that you're going to a priority for you to serve. Alex, it's a hard decision. I know. What would you say?

Alex McFarland: God bless you. you know, there's, a couple of things I want to say, and for those just tuning in, we're talking about, the healthy church. When to stay, when to pray, about maybe moving on. Bert, did I hear her say they had 21 deacons?

Bert Harper: That's what she said. Isn't that right, Joanne?

Caroline: That is correct. 21. And the majority of them are women.

Alex McFarland: Now, let me say this as a rule of thumb. it varies, but generally, most seminaries and most books on church leadership. I remember Christian, leadership by Gingell. do you remember that book in seminary, Bert Gingel's book? As a rule of thumb, they would say you have one deacon for every 15 to 30 members. Well, with 21 deacons, you should have at minimum 315 members, and at maximum, 630. So with the no, and I really don't know the impetus for having 21 deacons, that's a lot. but let me challenge everybody to think about three areas. Theologically, operationally, and dispositionally. Now, theologically, obviously, a church should uphold the fundamentals of core Christian orthodoxy. The, Bible as God's authoritative word. But then operationally, now you've got two segments. You've got administratively and ministerially, okay, you want good administration, honest accountability. No one person unilaterally making all the decisions. And then ministerially, you want to be fulfilling the Great Commission. And then, Bert, for lack of a better word, dispositionally. I've been in churches that were theologically sound, but there was just no love and no spirit and no grace there. I've been in churches that were theologically sound and appeared to be very loving, but there were things in the back office that were questionable. And so, you know, I mean, Christ likeness is always a, pursuit. But theologically, operationally, and then dispositionally, the parts, the whole, the church should be biblical. And, let me say, to get that balance back about the number of deacons and the number of people serving in other areas, I don't, I don't know why 21 people I've been at, Bert. I've been in some, like, mega, mega churches to preach And I don't know that I've been in more than one or two that would have, you know, two dozen deacons. So you pray about that.

There was an article Wednesday about America's looming pastoral shortage

And, Bert, I'm going to ask you. This is far away. Friday, I'm going to ask you to pray. There was an article Wednesday about America's looming pastoral shortage. And for, the caller and just the health of the body and honest biblical servants, we need to pray, therefore, the Lord of the harvest, that he'll call forth laborers. Bert, would you just commit our nation's churches to prayer?

Bert Harper: I, will, Father. We do. Thank you. Thank you for Joanne calling in and knowing her heart to do what you want her to do. And sometimes it's to stay, and sometimes it is to go. You will speak to she and her husband. I'm confident. And then, Father, for what Alex has shared, which I have noticed in my observation, not just doing research, but, Father, the shortage of pastors sharing the word of God. Father, speak to hearts and lives of individuals that they have been called out to feed your sheep. Father, that does not mean we need to lower the standard. That's not one of the things that we need to do. We need more workers in the field. And, Father, I pray that you would help us as, ministers of the gospel, Those of us that are pastors, those of us that are teachers, that we would be on the alert to look and see who you might be calling. Not that we could call them, but that we could come alongside and encourage them and challenge them to do your will. Father, may the church in America, may we stand strong on your word. Father. May we share your word. And, Father, at that point in time that the Holy Spirit of God would call individuals out to follow you to do your will and to, do what you call them to do, we pray this, we believe this. In Jesus name, Amen.

Alex McFarland: Amen. Well, we have a break. This is Fire Away Friday. More of exploring the Word and your questions after this brief break. Don't go away. The number, 358-9-8840. We'd be glad to hear your Bible question.

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Bert Harper: Welcome back to Exploring the word. This is Bert and Alex and it's Fire Away Friday and we are taking questions. So we're going to go straight because, we've got people that have called in. We're going to try to give get to every one of you. Let's go to Mississippi and talk to Charles. Charles, thank you for calling. Go right ahead.

Wayne: Hello, Brother Bert, Brother Alex. thank you. God bless y' all and thank you for your ministry and teaching us. I have a question on, you know, what y' all were teaching on? Titus, chapter two, verse 13. looking for the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. m. In witnessing, you know, especially to Jehovah's Witnesses, it seems like if, if you just showed them that right there about Jesus where it plainly says he is our great God, that that would convince them. and in yalls experience, with maybe Jehovah Witnesses, you know what, what can we expect if we show them that? And does the NewSong World translation, do they change that to something else where it says God?

Bert Harper: Wayne, thank you. Great, great question. Great observation, Alex. If you have time to look that up, or you might already know it, about how that is used in the translation for the Jehovah's Witness. But that is a great observation. And that word and does it equalizes? It's not too separate? It's the same one. Alex. do you know if they translate it correctly?

Alex McFarland: Yeah, I've got it up here. and I'm going to do a cleansing of the hard drive of my computer m. up here of this, NewSong World translation. Let me read. Well, I'm not sure if I'm gonna read it or not. Okay, okay. Here's how they change it. Let me. Let me read it as it's written. it says in Titus 2:13 in the king James. The appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ. Okay, I'm going to read it in the, in the Greek here. Ah, as it is written, it says awaiting the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and Savior of us, Jesus Christ. And this is, this is in the weeds. But just hang with me. the, the Greek text which I'm staring at right now, the appearing of the great God and Savior of us, Christ Jesus. Get it? Now you might think, well, the. Of. Ah, moving that. Would that really matter? Yes, it would. Okay, the, the Greek text of God's NewSong Testament says the appearing of the great God and Savior of us, Christ Jesus. Here's how the JWs render it. While we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior, Jesus Christ. See, by moving of, they're making a distinction between almighty God and Jesus Christ. Now one of the things that Charles Taze Russell in the 1800s, he said all churches everywhere for 20 centuries, almost 18 centuries at that point were corrupt and he was going to restore it all. And so no matter what verse, by the way, if you ever see nwt, the NewSong World translation, either walk away from it or if you happen to have it, burn it. I mean it is an absolute distortion of God's word. So Bert, clearly in the original Greek there's no distinction. The great God and the savior of us is Jesus Christ.

Bert Harper: One person. One person.

Alex McFarland: So this affirms the deity of Christ, but by moving the word of, they try to say the great God and of our Savior Jesus. So making Jesus and deity two different things. No, Christ is God incarnate. Incarnate God.

Bert Harper: This demonstrates to all of us the importance of even the jot and the tittle. And this is what the word of God, everyone is inspired. And having that AV at that place demonstrates the equality of Jesus Christ with God. Jon, Chapter one. No wonder. Because what they did, they left their thoughts penetrate to the translation so they could change it and fit their. Fit their thoughts. And do not let that happen in your life. Even if you don't know Greek. Let the word of God speak as it is. And you can rely on some great translations. King James, NewSong King James, esv. They will speak. And others as well. Charles, keep witnessing and praise God. That's a great, great point. Let's go to Kansas. Wayne, thank you for calling. Go right ahead.

Caroline: Hey, thanks for taking my phone call. I, after I saw and began suspecting and building evidence that Christ converted Paul from the faith of the Pharisees to the faith of the prophets. And someone directed him to N.T. wright out of England, one of the top five theologians in the world. And he had written a book on it, in 1997, making that exact same thing. Do you think the idea is correct?

Bert Harper: Okay, M. Alex, go ahead.

Alex McFarland: Yeah, I do. by the way, N.T. wright, Bishop, of Durham, although I think he's, retired. he's a close colleague of Gary Habermas, a close friend of us. And, So, I've not read that. I've got, I think, two books by Bishop, Thom Wright, NT Wright, probably his most famous, which I, I recommend is called the Resurrection of the Son of God. And then, But, but I think that's true because. All right, before his conversion, Saul was a Pharisee. He was a Pharisee, and he had authority from the high priest to persecute the followers of Jesus. And of course, on the road to Damascus, this is Acts chapter nine. And Bert, I would argue, Saul of Tarsus, his Damascus road conversion as recorded in Acts chapter 9. This is one of the most significant moments in world history because, yes, he did convert to the. The faith of the prophets. Because in Jon 5:39, Jesus said, the prophets of old, he said, search the scriptures, they testify of me. So when Paul was born again on the road to Damascus, that would be one of the most significant moments in world history because, I think he was the most fruitful missionary, pastor, evangelist that ever served. Bert, what do you say?

Bert Harper: I agree with you. And let me add one to that. That changed history. Not only his conversion, but. But on his second, missionary journey when he was determined to go north, but the Holy Spirit hindered him and he heard the Macedonia call. He left that area of Turkey and went over into Europe. And from, there the world was completely changed. Alex. Western civilization was a result of Paul taking the gospel there and changing everything the way people thought. Even in the Roman Empire. Yes, it did. So I agree with you. It was. It was world changing. It really was. Hey, Wayne. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you, man. Let's go to Louisiana. And it's Scott. Scott, thank you for calling. Go right ahead, brother. Scott, are, you there? I hear. Scott, are you there? Okay, Scott, one more time. I don't know what happened, but we can't get him. Scott, we'll see if we can put you on hold. We'll see. Okay, let's go to Jon in Arkansas. Jon, are you there?

Caroline: I don't know what happened.

Caroline: Yes, I am. how y' all doing?

Bert Harper: Okay, Doing good. Is Scott and Jon both on

Caroline: it?

Caroline: Sounds like it. I've got it. I've read Berkshire giving me an echo.

Bert Harper: Okay, Jon, is this better?

Caroline: Yeah. There we go.

Bert Harper: Okay. Go right ahead, man. Sorry about that.

Caroline: Hey, guys. Oh, you're good. yeah, it kind of. Alex kind of prompted me to do this when he was. He asked you to pray about our churches and, the shortage of pastors. I'm in a situation right now. I'm pastoring a small church. I, think we've got about 12 to 15 members, on average. and I'm feeling God is not necessarily calling me to leave this church, but I feel like he's calling me to expand, and there's going to be some opportunities fairly close by, for me to possibly go to a, second church. And the idea that I talked with my association missionary about is to possibly do a shared pastorship.

Bert Harper: Yeah.

Caroline: The problem I'm running into is, the church that I would be. The other church I would be taking on would be a larger church, in a community with a school, more outreach, whatnot. and I would probably be asking the current church that I'm at to change their times. And I feel like I'm probably going to get some kickback just because I know the people. I love them to death, but I feel like they're not going to want to change their time, regardless of what the situation is. And I'm. I'm looking at the same thing, you know, like Alex said, is, you know, we're kind of short on pastors. And I'm trying to, you know, think of how do I, you know, address this problem? It hadn't become a problem yet, but, you know, I'm just trying to think of them, this. When this does come about, how would I, you know, try to talk to my church and just say, you know, hey, this is, you know, this is some of the problems that we're running into, and I don't want to leave y' all without a pastor. I want to continue to minister to you guys, but, you know, we need to make some changes. So.

Bert Harper: Jon, what an opportunity. Let me just share this with you. The reality of the shortage of pastors is real. The church you're at, if God so moves you to that other church and offer them to share and be a part of that, I think that is the answer for a lot of churches. I do. I think that's an answer. It does Away with pride. I don't mean to be mean to that people, but it would be a matter of them pride saying we can't change when they need to. And the reality will be if you leave and they're that small and they're looking for someone that could feed them and you have fed them the reality of what's going to happen to them, it will happen whether they want it to or not. Alex, take it away.

Alex McFarland: Bert, that's good counsel. And sir, God bless you for being a shepherd and serving these people. You know, in like colonial America, Bert, a pastor might have a two church charge or they would say like a three church charge where the, the circuit riders and the different ministers, they would serve multiple congregations. And Bert, I, I even know of some occasions here in North Carolina that there, there are churches that operate and I know this is not ideal, maybe operate two Sundays a month and a minister, in fact, I know, near where we live of a pastor that for 30 years has served two churches. And there's you know, he alternates one Sunday here, one Sunday there. you know, you can get creative and things can work. And I would really pray that the Holy Spirit would give the people, the vision to see this. But, if it came down to it, another consideration are the needs of your family and your time. And Bert, I know I, I need to be looking in the mirror when I preach this, but none of us can do everything we've gotta. We gotta pray about what we can do. Time is a resource. We must use it, as a good steward. And so your family, your own personal walk and then, where you have peace and the fellowship of the people about going through the door.

Bert Harper: Amen.

Alex McFarland: And I'm certain God will lead you.

Bert Harper: I do too. Let me share one more thing. It hit me as Alex was talking, if you could talk to the church you're at, if this becomes reality, present it as a partnership.

Alex McFarland: Amen.

Bert Harper: And let them see how God is. Listen, Al far. We're blessed because we partner with others and it makes all the difference in the world. I think the church you're at would be blessed beyond measure with a partnership that shows humility. And that's,

Alex McFarland: Jon, it's an expansion of the impact.

Bert Harper: It really is. And if church is out there listening and you're two small churches and you can't do. Listen, consider those partnerships. You can stay in two places and have Sunday school before and church after and you can manage it. Jon, we're Praying for it. Hey, Jon, call back and let us know how it goes. We really want to know.

Alex McFarland: Indeed.

Bert Harper: Okay, let's stay. Let's go to Mississippi and talk to Blake. Blake, thank you for calling. Go right ahead.

Caroline: Yes. How are y' all doing today?

Bert Harper: Doing well, man.

Caroline: Good, good.

Caroline: I've got a, question.

Caroline: Hopefully I can simplify the, the question itself. so I'm a full believer in the faith. And, it's funny, my supervisor's name is actually Charles, like the caller we just had. And so he's, he's not a believer at all. And he asked a couple of questions and different things and, and something that kind of got brought up and, and I love speaking on, any kind of biblical knowledge with somebody, because God always has a way of giving me an answer in the middle of me asking a question sometimes. So. Amen in this. In this way. So I'm wondering in the times in the Old Testament when they had the Passover, so whether you believed in the Passover or not, if you didn't have the blood above your door, you're, if I'm, if I'm, correct. What is it the firstborn male or something?

Bert Harper: Yeah, yeah.

Caroline: Pass away. And so that, that was a legitimate thing. Okay, so at what point if, if, if they knew that if they didn't put that blood over the door that the firstborn son would die and come to pass, they didn't put it above the door and their first born son did die, wouldn't that be, a testament of the higher power that they all searched for? And what I'm saying is like with Jesus, when he came in.

Bert Harper: Blake, we're going to have to cut you off. Stay tuned. We're going to answer that on the other side or comment on the other side of the break. And it's a great thought, great question, and we're going to talk about it because Jesus is our Passover.

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Alex McFarland: Praise him for friends and family, for the very air we breathe, for having everything we need. Won't somebody come for Praise the Lord with me? Yes, together we will praise the Lord. Welcome back to Explore the word, Alex McFarland along with Bert Harper. And hey, let me say this, we're going to get back to the calls, but I hope you're planning on being in church on Sunday, be in the house of the Lord on Sunday. And I want to say I've got the great privilege. I will be this Sunday, May 17th with Dr. Micah Laine at Socastee Baptist Church. Now that's in South Carolina. And the website, S O C A S T E E sakastibaptist dot com. I'll be there Sunday morning and Sunday night all day. We'll be doing some revival preaching. And if you're in the mid Atlantic region, come on down Sunday to Sack Baptist and see us. And Reverend Bert Harper, where will you, will you be in a pulpit on Sunday?

Bert Harper: I will. I'll be back at Ozark Baptist Church where I've been over the last year as the interim pastor again. We would love for you to come. Worship will be at 11 o' clock and, you can find it, you can Google it and find it. And so, we would invite people to come. Well, Alex, go right ahead. Blake was asking about the Passover. Would you.

Alex McFarland: Yeah. You know, in the Old Testament, when the Jews were being rescued out of the, Egyptian slavery, there was the Passover. And they were to put the blood of a perfect lamb on the doorposts of, of the house. And when the death angel passed through, the death angel would pass over. and here's the thing. The question related to how much did they really know and was that actually faith? Bert, in James 2:18, the writer of James says, you show your faith by your works. Now, I don't know how much the ancient Israelites understood, whether it was, putting the blood on the door during Passover or whether it was looking towards, the brass serpent in numbers 21. But Habakkuk tells us that they were saved by their faith and the faith in the Messiah that would come. And here's my thought. We are so blessed today, you and I, everybody. We have got the total panorama of God's revelation. We know Christ came, We know he rose from the dead. Faith today, I think is, is a pretty easy thing to exert given how much we know and how the victory has been won and Christ is coming back and Israel is in their land. We celebrated that, the, birthday of Israel yesterday. So I think in the Old Testament, Bert, the degree to what they knew, we can't know. But when they obeyed whatever it was to cross the Jordan to put the blood on the doorpost, the actions they outwardly demonstrated showed the internal trust, faith, knowledge, small as it might have been. But like James 2 said, their actions validated what faith they had.

Bert Harper: It really did. Now, going back to the Passover, remember, it was preceded by nine plagues. And what had happened, you know, in most of, especially the last ones. The Egyptians are the ones that had experienced it, and many times the Hebrews were exempt. Now, again, I think that had built up their faith. And God does that in our life, and he demonstrates his power and strength so that when that time of choosing decision made, God's built his, I'm just saying this and using my words, he's built his case for faith, Alex, you know, that we can have faith in Him. It's not blind faith. It is actual faith based upon the fact of who God is, what God has done. And so I, I, I do believe it was an action of faith that now again, the faith of a mustard seed. Listen, God takes a little, makes much of it. Blake, thank you for that. Good question. Well, we're going to go back to Scott in Louisiana. Scott, are you there?

Caroline: Yes, sir, I am.

Bert Harper: Okay, I'm sorry, we, we had a bad connection. Go ahead, man. Glad you came. Call back, brother. Go right ahead.

Caroline: Good afternoon.

Caroline: I actually got a couple questions. First one pretty straightforward, probably pretty simple. several translations, many in Hebrews, chapter one, verse three. talk about the Everything is sustained. Jesus Christ sustains all things by his powerful word. But in the NASB 95, it says, by the word of his power. And I was reading it the other day, and I probably read it a hundred times, but it caught my attention. I said, well, that's a strange order of word usage there, because it's different than how you read it everywhere else as his powerful word or the power of his word. And so I didn't know if that's distinctive or not.

Bert Harper: Okay, NewSong King James, it says this and upholding all things by the word of his power. Alex?

Alex McFarland: Yeah, in the Greek language, it says, of him, Jesus upholding then all things by the word of the power through Himself. And so that would not do injustice to the text there, to render it in English by the word of his power. Because it really says, the word of the power through himself. So clearly it's Jesus with the power. And you know, we've often talked about this. His sustaining hand, his will, his word holds this universe together. You know, matter is molecules in motion. And, they physicists wonder why the bond that all the molecules of all the matter hang together, why doesn't the world just unravel? Well, because Christ is sustaining it by his will and his word, isn't He?

Bert Harper: He really is. Scott, do you have a real quick second question? I heard you had too. We, we got people. So go ahead real quickly.

Alex McFarland: Yeah.

Caroline: Hebrews, chapter two, I believe it's verse three. it talks about how then shall we escape if we neglect. So greatest salvation followed after the law of prophets, and you know, that their commands were punishable, etc. And if I understand correctly, that's not talking about, losing salvation or anything, because you can't neglect something that you don't have or at least have responsibility over. And so it's more indicating neglecting the salvation, as in not realizing its fullness. Maybe not receiving rewards, crowns, etcetera, but still having salvation.

Bert Harper: Let me say this. I'm going to wait for a more convenient season. Alex, does that say I'm neglecting the salvation that's been presented with me?

Alex McFarland: Exactly. Exactly.

Bert Harper: Same thought isn't really.

Alex McFarland: Bert, if you would look up, when's the last time we talked through Hebrews? I love the book of Hebrews. you know, in the Original language, verse 3. How shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation in the Word? How shall we be fled? well, what are you fleeing away from? Judgment. And how will you flee if you don't come to Jesus? The answer is you won't. In other words, if you want to flee the judgment that we all deserve. I deserved it. We all did. We're all sinners. But the way you to escape, to flee, to be redeemed, to be rescued

Bert Harper: through faith in Jesus, do it now. Today is the day of salvation. Those of you who are listening, make sure you know Jesus Christ today. Nobody knows what a day may bring. That's what the book of James says. It appears as a vapor here today and gone tomorrow. So get right with God and honestly do it now. Don't wait. Don't wait till Sunday. Get saved. And at Sunday, say, man, I got saved on Friday afternoon. And, and trust, Jesus as savior. Well, let's go to Kentucky and talk to Frank. Frank, Go right ahead, brother.

Alex McFarland: Yes, sir.

Caroline: I called back in March when I was on the way to North Carolina for my sister to get a heart transplant. And I called back about a week later and told y' all that everything went fine. Thanks for the prayers. Well, another praise report. she got released from the hospital, and she's home doing fine.

Bert Harper: Amen. I told you, we love praises. that does her heart good, doesn't it, Alex?

Alex McFarland: It really does. To God be the glory.

Caroline: Amen. Thank y' all for praying.

Bert Harper: Amen. we just want to say thank you to all. The prayer warriors are out there. They call in all the time. They said they pray for you, Alex, as you travel, because you travel just all the time. I kind of stay stuck. I'm a homebody. but they pray for us both. So, Frank, thank you for that testimony. Okay, let's go to Arkansas and talk to Cookie. Cookie, go right ahead.

Caroline: Hey, I appreciate y' all so much.

Alex: I was confused about the biblical description of Christ's return

And, listen, I've been studying my. I'm studying Luke, and I was a little confused because in, Luke 21:27, I know when Jesus comes back to rapture, when he comes to meet the sin, when we meet him in the air, he'll be on a cloud. But this is describing the end time, and it talks about him, you know, going to be on a cloud. And then open, Revelation 19:11, it says he's going to come on a white horse. That's just a little confusing to me.

Bert Harper: Okay, let me make a statement, Alex. We got that book that we, wrote last October. It was released, and it is still selling, going good. From what I'm here about, the answers to eschatology, about questions that's been asked. Listen to this and I'll throw it to you, Alex. It says, then they shall see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now, when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws not near. Okay? Redemption. That means these people are looking for him to come. Sounds like this is the church, those that know him looking for him. Am I right on this one?

Alex McFarland: I think so. I think so. And, yeah, Bert referenced our book, 100 Bible Questions on, Prophecy in the End Times. It's published by Broad Street. You'll recognize it's got a red cover, and it's in the AFA store, and it's at bookstores throughout America and online. And we go into a great amount of depth. I can't I don't have time to do everything here, but, the return of Christ. We say there are several aspects to this. it's not only the ultimate return of Christ and the setting up of his eternal kingdom here on earth, but there's really, Bert, the conclusion of world history. And, I believe there'll be the catching away. The word is Harpazo, often translated rapture. And after the catching away of the church, there'll be seven years of tribulation. And the world will very quickly become like a global police state surveillance. No one can come and go, buy or sell without the, permission of the Antichrist. And really millions will be martyred. There'll be a battle called Armageddon. Christ will return on a white horse 10,000 times 10,000 following him, his saints. And there'll be a thousand years millennium peace on earth, then, eternity proper. So when we say the return of Christ, there's a few. The, the, the fine print, if you will. There's a few things that take place. But ultimately, I want to say to everybody, Christ is king. Christ is coming. And if you're a believer in him, you are secure, safe in Jesus Christ for now and eternity.

Bert Harper: Hallelujah. Let me give you this. And this is. I think this helped me. Now, Alex, we did not put this in the book, but this really helped me. Sometimes when you're talking about his return, there are some general descriptions. Okay, he's returning in power. He's coming in great glory. I know he's coming. But even in the rapture. And then there's specific descriptions. The dead in Christ will rise first. That's very precise, you see. So sometimes when it's a general description, I had trouble saying, okay, where exactly is it? It looked like both were meshed in kindly. It's like looking at the mountains. you can see some on the Front Range, and then those that are higher are behind them. You don't see the valley, in between, but you see the whole thing. And some of the descriptions are looking at the whole general description of it. I hope that helps, Alex. That helped me, brother.

Alex McFarland: I think that's good. That's really good, Bert.

Bert Harper: Okay, let's go to the last caller of the day, and it's Jacqueline in Mississippi. Jacqueline, thank you for calling. Go right. It's good to hear from you again. Go right ahead.

Caroline: Well, praise the Lord. I have a praise report as well. You all pray for that daughter of mine. It's been, two weeks now, and she's still Asking God to continue to give her what she needs, to continue to be the woman of God that God has called her to be. So thank you all for that.

Alex Dabney: Where were the sin in heaven

And I had one question. I want to know where were the sin in heaven? Because, if Lucifer got, you know, kicked out of heaven and there's no sin in heaven, how did it get in heaven? Because they said there's no sin in heaven. I'm all, I'm just stop right there.

Bert Harper: Okay, Jacqueline, good. Alex, listen to this. See what, see what you can do with it in answering this. Temptation is not a sin. Okay. here, here is Lucifer himself, you know, dealing with all of this. And it had happened and it was there, and then it finally came out as a result. Giving in to that, I, I, I want it my way. Does that set that up a little bit of what took place in heaven? I haven't ever said that before, but I thought I'd throw it out, see what you thought about it.

Alex McFarland: Well, and let me say this. We often talk about dispensationalism here on earth, the different periods of history, but there was a period in the, in the eternal realm. You know, Revelation chapter 21 talks about, the, the kingdom of God wherein dwells righteousness. And there was apparently, and by the way, Revelation 21, 26 and 27 says, there's no sin in heaven, Nothing that defiles. But in eternity past, angels had a choice they had to make. And during that period of eternity, it doesn't really make sense to say that period of time, but Lucifer used his will to plot a rebellion against God. So there is no sin in the new heaven and new earth. But in eternity past, those angels had a decision to make. Hey, Bert, I gotta tell you something. According to birthday Dave, Birthday Dave, I think he's listening. Dave Dabney, is today Jen's birthday?

Bert Harper: Today is my dear wife's birthday. Yes, it is, and I'm glad you brought it up. She'd probably. Why did you do that for her? But thank you, Birthday Dave. Dave Dadney. Thank you, Alex, for sharing that. Listen, God's happy birthday, Jan Harper. You better believe we're going to celebrate later. Okay, Right on.

Alex McFarland: Hey, folks, thanks for listening and keep us all in prayer again. Pray for Robert Carnegie, our pastor friend, and then do be in church on Sunday and pray for America and the rededication of our nation to God. It's coming up Sunday. You'll find it in the news. In the meantime, God bless you. Tell everyone. Tell everyone about Jesus, the views and

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