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>> Bert Harper: It's Fireaway Friday.

>> Alex McFarland: Fire Away Friday on Exploring the Word.

>> Bert Harper: This is your chance to ask us your Bible question at 888-589-8840. That's 888-589-8840. You can also email your question@wordfr.net or.

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>> Bert Harper: It's Fire Away Friday on American Family Radio Friday' but it's extra special when we have a guest.

>> Alex McFarland: Well, it is. And from the news department of the American Family Association, Fred Jackson. Just a trusted voice and he is with us now because. And we will get to your Bible questions. The number, if you choose to call in with a question, is 888-589-8840. But, Fred, first of all, thank you for making time to be with us and welcome.

>> Fred Jackson: It is good to be with you gentlemen on this day, the big news story.

Israel launched multiple phased attack on Iran early Friday morning, leaving dozens injured

I'm sure all our listeners are aware by now, very early this, Israel attacked Iran. multiple phased attack. But the latest news, and now it's, just after 11:00 o' clock at night, the skies of Tel Aviv. You can see the moon. But just a few hours ago the sky was filled of missiles with missiles coming in from Iran. It's Iran's response to this. So we'll give you a little bit of information on what's going on there. Various, military sources say around 100, ballistic missiles were fired, from Iran into Tel Aviv. for the most part, the interception, ability of Israel has worked. They say about a dozen of these missiles may have gotten through, some of them just partially. So we had debris that was falling. what we understand at this point, about a dozen people may have been, mildly injured. if you're looking at the TV shots, the images coming out of Tel Aviv tonight, you may have seen some buildings that were, were hit. We understand that most of the residents of Tel Aviv have been in bunkers. They've now been given the all clear to come out. We've also just learned in the last half hour or so a confirmation that the United States military has been able to help Israel this evening in the way of intercepting those missiles. We have destroyed destroyers that are in the eastern portion of the Mediterranean. the US Tells us that there are two more US destroyers headed for the eastern part of the Mediterranean to be of assistance. The United States at this point wants to stress, that they are in a defensive mode. They are not involved in an offensive way yet.

>> Bert Harper: When I hear this the first thing you think about, it's about time because we knew yeah, Iran was doing everything against any kind of settlement concerning nuclear power. And I heard this observation. I'd like to comment both have you comment on it Said most of the time people think the United States are interact to protect Israel, to help Israel. This commentator said this is right reverse, this is Israel doing the work, and really helping the United States because Iran is an enemy of the United States as well as Israel. Would you say that would be a.

>> Fred Jackson: No question about it. some are saying, some of these analysts are saying that this attack that Israel launched overnight probably has been about 10 years in the planning. They have been waiting for this but they couldn't wait any longer because there is a belief that Iran has been stalling in negotiations that the United States has been involved with. They've been stalling, putting it off because they are at the brink of having the capability to launch a nuclear weapon.

>> Alex McFarland: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: So Israel felt now was the time they needed to do this. But the details coming out of the operation over the last 18 hours that Israel, what Israel has done, one of the things that just amazed me completely. We now know that Mossad, which is the Israel renowned intelligence agency, the Mossad has been on the ground in Iran perhaps for months and they were to develop, they developed a drone base inside Iran to be there to to initiate these attacks that occurred. Well Friday morning, Israel time. And so there have been hundreds of sorties, they call them Israeli fighter jets now It's a long distance from Tel Aviv to Tehran, about a thousand miles.

>> Alex McFarland: Wow.

>> Fred Jackson: These jets have to be refueled somewhere. That's a bit of a mystery right now whether it was airborne refuel or perhaps Saudi Arabia, perhaps Qatar. Remember Trump visited all these countries very lately. Yeah. perhaps they were involved. They will never admit it.

>> Alex McFarland: Sure.

>> Fred Jackson: They were involved in perhaps the refuel. But as we we are sitting here right now gentlemen, the Israeli attack are continuing. There is going to be many waves of attacks. you probably have heard the reports earlier today in these initial Israeli attacks, several high ranking Iranian military people were taken out. They were in their beds, it was 2:30 in the morning.

>> Alex McFarland: Drones shooting in windows.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes, they took them out. Also some of the key scientists involved in developing the the nuclear capability for Iran. They also went off into eternity.

>> Alex McFarland: Fred, let me ask you this. That for example John Bolton, who was UN ambassador under Bush and then national security adviser under Donald Trump in the first term, he was very critical of the fact that during the second Obama administration, the ability to enrich plutonium was granted. and I remember this, and Bolton was quoting this this morning that, in, in sort of legitimizing, helping Iran have nuclear capabilities that Barack, Obama said, well, if they ever do have a weapon, it will be 10 years from now. Well, it's 10 years. And the best Israeli intel said that they were weeks away from having created a successful nuclear warhead. I, guess I would have a twofold question. one, for goodness sakes, why would you, why would an American president jeopardize the world by encouraging Iran to have nuclear capabilities?

>> Fred Jackson: Well, I think there can be many answers to that, but I think anybody with the understanding of Islamic thinking that the Islamic radicals who now run Iran, have stated publicly for years they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and also the United States. So your question is an interesting one. Why would an American official think it's okay for them to develop. I think we know enough now if you haven't in the past, that Iran can't be trusted. They lie. They lie. They have every intent of destroying Israel, every intent of going after the United States. so I think we have a president now that certainly understands that. There's been a little bit game been playing lately, where Trump, we were told, was angry with Netanyahu saying don't attack Iran. that now appears to have been a bit of theater, political theater.

>> Bert Harper: Hey Fred, could you stay a little longer since we didn't get started on time? I got two or three other questions.

>> Fred Jackson: Sure. Thanks.

>> Bert Harper: Okay. Hey Alex, it's good to have Fred here. And this is a special edition of Fireway Friday. So we'll be back right after this break with more. Will you take a moment and celebrate life with me?

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>> Alex McFarland: I'VE seen shame? The kind that comes from mistakes? The kind that won't go away? When I turned around?

>> Fred Jackson: They were right there to remind me?

>> Alex McFarland: I've seen regret? The kind that messes with your hair? The failures and the can't forget? But standing here now, I'm, thinking, God, it's behind m me?

>> Fred Jackson: Cause I've seen nails, scarred hands reach out?

>> Alex McFarland: and wipe it all away.

Fred Jackson: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu has reached out to Iranian people

>> Bert Harper: Welcome back to Exploring the Word. This is Bert and Alex. It's Faraway Friday, but we're doing a little bit different. We've got Fred Jackson, he's our news director here at afr. And we, we're going to spend time talking about what's taking place in Israel, in Iran. And, so, Fred, thank you for staying with us again. Okay. you're on adrenaline time now since 3:00, and, man, you've been busy, but appreciate you taking your time to be with us. I really mean that because I think this is important to do. So here's, here's what I want to share with you guys, and I want your input on this. Iran. And you know, I do. The other program I do is exploring missions. And one of the greatest countries in the past 10 years where believers have come to know Christ is in Iran.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Bert Harper: So here. Here it is. I was thinking about this. How to say this. Iran's government could care less about its people.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Bert Harper: When it comes time to destroy Israel.

>> Fred Jackson: That's right.

>> Bert Harper: And they don't care what price they can pay concerning their people.

>> Fred Jackson: Absolutely. You know, it's really interesting that you bring that up, because I think on, at least one or two occasions in the last 18 hours, Prime Minister Netanyahu has reached out to the Iranian people. He has reached out to them. He has said, and I'm paraphrasing here, saying we, referring to Israel, are with you. The Iranian people. Yes. He understands that. Also there are elements, it's been reported as late as this afternoon, there are Iranian elements that are helping the Israeli military. also Mossad agents have been able to work with those Iranian elements. Ah. And actually become part of the population as well, because Mossad agents learn to speak the language of the people. And so there is a collaboration going on between the Iranian people and, and Mossad to bring this about. But I thought it was really interesting that Netanyahu today, in the midst of, of their country being bombed, that he was reaching out to those people and saying, we're with you. Because the belief is the majority of the Iranian people do not want the Islamic regime that's ruling over them right now.

>> Alex McFarland: Yeah, that's very true.

In radical Islamic worldview, Israel just doesn't have the right to exist

And let's talk about this, though in the, radical Islamic worldview, Israel just doesn't have the right to exist.

>> Fred Jackson: Correct.

>> Alex McFarland: And I know, Fred, I was literally on the Temple Mount talking to a group of college students. They were in the Hajib. And by the way, Bert and I will be with Tim Wildmon in Israel next March 2026. We'd love for you all to go with us, but, and go to Wildmon group tours and you can learn about that. But, Fred, just. I've had American academics say to me that they did not believe that there was that much animus against Israel. But I've heard it, in Canada, America. But I was literally in Israel talking to about eight college students, and they were Islamic, and a girl was shouting, unrepeatable slurs against Israel. And she said, what do we want? We want Israel thrown to the bottom of the sea. really, it's Ishmael versus Isaac, isn't it?

>> Fred Jackson: Yes, yes.

>> Alex McFarland: I mean, this goes back to time immemorial.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes. Yeah. If, you know, we speak. What is the evidence of biblical truth? The evidence of biblical truth. We are seeing it today. I, mean, the divisions that started. You mentioned Isaac and Ishmael. We, go back to that. The divisions that occurred. Read through it, you guys. What am I saying? You guys, you read through the Old Testament. That division, that tension is there. when the Jewish people came out of Egypt, they ran into opposition on the way to the Holy Land. Who were these groups of people that they ran? They were descendants of Ishmael. so I, find today that it is wonderful to be able to look at what's happening in the last 24 hours from that biblical perspective, because Iran, Persia.

Alex Martin: Putin in Russia has offered to be a mediator

All right, so bring all of that into this. I mean, you read Esther. What was Esther all about? Kill all the Jews.

>> Alex McFarland: Haman wanted to genocide against Esther's, people.

>> Fred Jackson: So what are we experiencing the last 24 hours? It's basically, kill all the Jews.

>> Bert Harper: That's it.

>> Fred Jackson: And when you stop and you draw back and you say, wait a minute. If somebody was being really honest, this tiny group of people. There are about 9 million people in Israel proper. That's all 9 million. They just want to live in peace. and it's amazing. And you ask, well, why is the world so bad? the United nations, why do they hate these? You cannot explain that rationally. It has to go to a spiritual explanation.

>> Bert Harper: Let me take it further back than Isaac and Ishmael. Satan wanting to be in God's position. Oh yeah, that's it. And Israel, God's always had a plan. Genesis, chapter 12, through you I am going to bless all the families of the earth.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Bert Harper: That was marching orders that Satan would hear and say, I, don't want that to happen.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Bert Harper: So the whole attack concerning the Jewish instill and when we as believers receive some of that animus toward us, you know, that's it. Satan. And I want one more thing. And I saw this right before it came in and I Remember Representative Mike McCall from, Texas. And I was looking. He used to be, part of the foreign relations and he was always, if I remember right, he was involved in it before he got to, to the position of representative. He was in the business of military and undercover and all of that. He said this and it goes along what you said. So I wanted to amplify on it a little bit. He says this is the perfect time for the people of Iran to overthrow this evil regime. That was Representative Mike McCall. I just, I said let me check one more thing before I go in there. What a time. They would have a lot of support right now if that could happen. This happened. Was it under, President Clinton when they were going to overthrow this regime in America? step back.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Bert Harper: Do you remember that, friend? And that's been a years ago. I don't know if you remember it or not, Alex. Fred and I got a few years on you, so we may not too many. Okay. But you see what I'm talking about. And here it is again.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Bert Harper: This may be the perfect time.

>> Fred Jackson: It may be, it's going to be interesting. I've heard some of these Pentagon, people, others, the analysts that were on Fox today in particular talking about, Iran probably does not want the United States to get involved offensively in this. We mentioned off the top of the program they are involved defensively right now helping Israel to defend against the attacks from Iran that occurred in the, the last three hours. However, it would be very bad news for Iran if the United States gets involved in an offensive way. We have a lot of weapons in the neighborhood right now and more coming. And more coming. All right. because that would finish the Islamic regime and they know that. So, some of these military experts are saying in the minds of this, the civilian leaders of Iran right now, they understand they could not withstand both the United States and Israel attacking them. It would be done. It would be finished. So it's going to be interesting to see what happens.

>> Fred Jackson: You know, I want. You guys are the biblical experts. people are starting to talk even today about Ezekiel 38, 39. Because, in the last 24 hours, Putin in Russia has offered to be a mediator. Vladimir Putin.

>> Bert Harper: I got one thing. Surprise, surprise, surprise. Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: And. And also, some people are talking about China coming in as a mediator. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know, yeah, you talk about putting the fox in the chicken house. that's the last thing you would want. But folks be watching this over the next two or three days. This weekend, you're going to see some of these other players coming in.

Fred Kaplan: Obama seemed insistent on ensuring Iran had nuclear capabilities

But the question I wanted to ask you, because people are going to say, we're going into our churches, our Sunday school classes on Sunday. I think a lot of classes are going to be talking about this. Are we at that? 38, 39, Ezekiel yet?

>> Alex McFarland: we're close.

>> Fred Jackson: Okay?

>> Alex McFarland: I mean, we're close. I don't know that we can definitively say that we're there, but, I've got a good look, a little bit of backstory, and, what Barack Obama did in 2015, although the talks of this went back to 2008, there was something called the frame agreement and the bottom line. And this is beyond my level of understanding, but they talk about, the ability to enrich uranium and enriched uranium. There are three isotopes that scientists can manipulate, and they make it purer and stronger. And when you get to a certain percentage, it's capable of being used for a bomb. Okay? Now, plutonium and uranium is used for power plants. It's used for powering nuclear submarines and ships. It can also be used for weaponry. And there were a lot of. I'm not talking conservative Christians, but just people around the world that as, Barack Obama in his second term seemed insistent to make sure Iran had nuclear capabilities. A lot of countries in the world looked askance at this. Now, the, plutonium was coming out of France and, many, many countries because they do use these for power plants, too. You know, power grids. Barack Obama wanted 10% of uranium and plutonium production to go to Iran. And that was what he argued for. And the Ayatollah promise. Now, Fred, I want you to comment on this quote. When other nations were saying, look, this ideology and the mullahs and the imams that want Israel dead and want a worldwide caliphate, the Ayatollah at that point promised, if there was a deal, please, please, Let us have nuclear capabilities. And keep in mind, folks, we are said that we are weeks away from Iran being able to develop a functional nuclear warhead. But at the time when they were trying to sell this deal to the world, the Ayatollah said, quote, we will never stop supporting our friends in the region, will not attack the people of Palestine, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Bahrain and Lebanon. End of quote.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Alex McFarland: So what, what entity did he not promise not to attack?

>> Fred Jackson: Like sticking out like a sore thumb. He didn't mention Israel.

>> Alex McFarland: Exactly.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah. So it, it begs a question, I guess. Back to you guys. Why would Barack Obama feel comfortable even making that proposal?

>> Bert Harper: I've got two proposals. See what y' all think about.

>> Alex McFarland: And why would that have been a priority?

>> Bert Harper: Okay, here it is. Appeasement. Appeasement. Okay. How do you appease radical Islam? He had no understanding. I don't think he wanted to bring on a war. I do not do. That's. I don't believe that. But he had no, he had no understanding of, radical Islam and their desire for the caliphate. He didn't think any other. If we can just get along. You remember that phrase happened. It happened.

>> Alex McFarland: Neville Chamberlain.

>> Bert Harper: Yes. And it happens in riots in LA. Was it 96?

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Bert Harper: Can't we just all get along? And Reagan, President Reagan, more than anybody else. We want to come from a position of power.

>> Fred Jackson: Strength.

>> Bert Harper: Strength, yes.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Bert Harper: Do you think those two things had something to do with Obama or do you think he was more conniving than that?

>> Fred Jackson: Well, I wouldn't trust Barack Obama. I'm sorry. I wouldn't. Look, look the, look at the world right now. and I'll mention most folks know I come from Canada. Canada has a new prime minister just in the last few weeks. One of the first things he did in the last 10 days was get himself, linked up with France and a few other countries to condemn Israel. To condemn Israel. All right. He's a globalist. The new prime minister, he's a, he's an extreme globalist. Listen, and this is where it goes to biblical terms. It's because the, the world for the most part is in the camp of Satan. Satan hates the Jewish people. Again, you cannot explain this rationally. Tiny, tiny, tiny little Israel just wants to get along. All right? And yet the world wants to destroy it. You know, it's really interesting, the pressure on is, it's come up again. Let's have the two state solution. The radical Palestinians, Hezbollah and Hamas and Iran, they don't want a two state solution. They want A one state. And by the way, not Israel.

>> Alex McFarland: Let me just say this, Muhammad was born in 571 AD Islam started about 610 AD well, you know, the left is all about the rights of indigenous people group. Well, when Islam was birthed, the Jews had been in the land of Israel 3500 years. So whenever people say to me, Fred, they'll say, oh, well, but that land, belongs to those Palestinians, which is a really modernized way of saying Philistines.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Alex McFarland: I mean, folks, this goes back.

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>> Fred Jackson: Amen.

>> Alex McFarland: I mean even Mark Twain, who was not a Christian, sadly. but Mark Twain said, if there's anything that makes me believe in God and the supernatural, it's Israel.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Alex McFarland: And this was several decades before the rebirth of the nation of Israel. May 14, 1948. But even, Mark Twain, an atheist, said there's an inexplicable spiritual animus against the Jews.

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Exploring the Word invites you to call in with Bible questions on Friday

>> Alex McFarland: Welcome back to Exploring the Word, the Friday edition. We call it Fire Away Friday. We're so honored to hear from you. If you've got a Bible question, you may call in at 888-589-8840. Bert and Alex, very great honor to have Fred Jackson of the news department with us. And Fred, I want to say thanks for, you keep a, ah, pretty busy schedule and to be with us for an hour today. We are grateful I twisted his arm.

>> Bert Harper: Okay. Thank you for staying, friend.

>> Fred Jackson: Hey, hey, listen, with what's going on in the world right now, want to be here, want to be talking to our folks.

>> Bert Harper: Amen.

>> Fred Jackson: Because we know they love the nation of Israel and they want to know what's going on.

>> Bert Harper: So we're to pray for the peace of Israel. That's something in the scriptures and so What a time. So pray for their defense. Pray for them as they go on the offensive. It. It'll be effective, so it will help them. Well, let's go to the phone lines. We do have people call in, and we appreciate you doing this today. Not a regular Fireway Friday, it is Jan in Louisiana. Jan, thank you for calling.

>> Speaker E: Hey, how are y' all doing?

>> Bert Harper: Good.

Alex: I have a question about the woman who was brought to Jesus

You have a question for us today?

>> Speaker E: I do. Thank you, and God bless y' all. I listen to y' all all the time, and, I. I have a question about the woman that was brought to Jesus, who had been caught in adultery. I want to know why or where was the man that she was caught with, and why didn't they bring him as well?

>> Bert Harper: Okay, let me. You know, we talked about this earlier, guys. Do y' all think it might have been. I'll just give you my opinion. A setup. Yeah, I, really do.

>> Fred Jackson: I.

>> Bert Harper: Now, she'd been there, but I believe this time m. Was a setup.

>> Alex McFarland: Alex, I don't know. But, you know, Billy Graham said that as Jesus wrote in the dirt, probably writing some of the ten Commandments, that, Jesus said, he who is out without sin cast the first stone. And they went away one by one. And Jesus said, where are your accusers? And she said, there are none. Because those men probably had consorted with her in times past.

>> Bert Harper: Yeah, I agree with that. But they had to be watching and know this. This is some form of. Okay, we can catch her. And Jesus is in town. He's passing through. This would get him.

>> Fred Jackson: Now, correct me if I'm wrong. in that passage, does it say the oldest left first?

>> Bert Harper: From the oldest to the youngest, he began.

>> Fred Jackson: Jesus began to write whatever that the oldest left first. I always found that fascinating.

>> Bert Harper: there's another possibility of what he wrote in the sand was names.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Bert Harper: Yeah, those individual.

Okay, Jan, I notice you have another question. What is it? Thank you so much. Go ahead. But first, I. Um

Okay, Jan, I notice you have another question. What is it?

>> Speaker E: Thank you so much. Yes, I do. and. But first, I. Have you all had spoken about this earlier today on your program Today?

>> Bert Harper: Yes. Go ahead.

>> Speaker E: Okay. Awesome.

Alex: I wondered why God allowed Sarah and Abraham to have children

Okay, so my next question is about Sarah, and Hagar. I know God gives us a free will choice, but I wondered, you know, God had told you, Abram and Sarah, that they would be a, the father to many nations. And, they didn't wait on God to bless them with children. And so Sarah told her. Her handmaid Hagar to go in and lay with, Abraham. And they had Ishmael, which are the people who are warring against the Israelites today. And so, I just wondered why, why did God allow that? I don't understand.

>> Bert Harper: Okay, there's something we don't know exactly. Speculation. Let me add another name we've talked about. Ishmael. How about Esau? You see the Edomites, they're from, they're from Esau. So it's not just a strand, it's a double thing there. And Jan, I'd say this, I believe it is a demonstration of even in the Christian life, the carnal and the spiritual, the battle goes on within. Paul said, those things I want to do, I find myself, not doing and vice versa. So the battle has always been there, hasn't it, friend?

>> Fred Jackson: No question about it. And even as Christians, those of us who have been believers for years, I think as you go on in your Christian life, you become more aware of the battle. You do and you begin to understand more and more. Wait a minute. This thing I'm seeing in front of me, this is not good. but I know who's putting it there. And to beware of it, I heard.

>> Bert Harper: A story about an 80 year old man and a 30 year old guy talking. And the 30 year old guy said, I can't wait to get 80 so I won't have all these difficulties. He said, you're going to have to live longer than me. And they don't go away, Alex.

>> Alex McFarland: Well, you know that's true. And Abraham and Sarah ran ahead of God. But now God did promise Hagar that the children born of her son would become a great nation. And I want to say this, and listen, I think I'm the most pro Israel conservative evangelical you'll ever meet. But God does love the Arabic people. Yes, God loves those that are caught in the false religion of Islam. Hey, by the way, I got to say this. I've got a very, very academic world religions book from the twenties, Samuel S. Braden. And there's a lot of history of Islam. and he said Islam seemed to be the only religion devised to be in conscious opposition to Christians and Jews. And so you've got to understand this is what I think a lot of woke modern people don't understand about when we're talking about the dynamics of the Middle east, that Islam, it was birthed out of an animosity toward Christians and Jews. And we see that to this day. But Isaac was the child of promise. And of course it's through the line of Isaac that ultimately the savior of the world was born, the Lord Jesus Christ.

>> Bert Harper: Amen.

Alex: I have a question for Chris about current world events

Well, let's go to North Carolina and talk to Chris. Chris, thank you for calling.

>> Caroline: Hello. Hey, thanks for having me on. called a couple of times and it's always a blessing to get on and talk to you guys and ask you questions. My question this time is on, you know, we see in the Old Testament, in the prophets, you know, I think Malachi, where God talks about how, you know, he whistles for the nations to kind of punish Israel, all the way to the point where he gets them all together and, you know, in the end times where he actually punishes the nations when he defends Israel. But, you know, we get a point where Israel's essentially cast out of the land again before Jesus himself comes back. So I'm just wondering, like, what are your thoughts on that, like, on the current events? And like, you know, it really seems like nations are gathering and Israel is not, you know, as a nation, you know, redeeming from God, but yet he showed the apple of their eyes. So, you know, I just wonder, like, what are your thoughts on how, how US as America and even Israel's enemies navigate this? Like, how much is you think it's just God's providence and his divine, sovereignty kind of orchestrating world events and I'll look it up the phone since you go.

>> Bert Harper: Okay, Chris, thank you. Alex, comment?

>> Alex McFarland: Well, yes, Israel is the apple of God's eye. Now, it doesn't mean that they're automatically born again, but the Bible says, unto Israel were committed the oracles of God. we have the Old Testament scriptures through Israel. We have the New Testament scriptures through Jewish believers. we have this, land where God, ultimately Jesus, will rule and reign from Jerusalem during the millennium. And so God is not done with Israel. The covenant promises of land, and one day the Jews will occupy their land in a state of belief. So even though predominantly for 1900 years, the gospel has been in the hearts and hands of the Gentiles, that doesn't mean that God doesn't still love Israel. And he has plans for the precious Jewish people. And someday those plans will be realized.

>> Bert Harper: We have talked about this in Romans as we've gone through this, Romans 9. It shows God's not through with them. And God can have a dual, line of people, you know. Yes, he's got the church, Praise the Lord, but he also has plans for Israel as well.

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>> Fred Jackson: Can I advertise right now? Dr. David Jeremiah, his program Turning Point is on at 5:30 in the morning. Since I'm up early, I get to hear it. Right now he's going through Revelation and the programs that you're hearing. He said he preached over 42 Sunday nights, just the book of Revelation and he's going through that. So if you think that the story is over for Israel and the Jewish people, you need to read Revelation. And if you can tune in at 5:30 and listen, I think he's in chapter 12 of Revelation right now. as the history of mankind, comes to a close, it's also the end of the history for Satan. And Satan, understands that during that seven year tribulation period, that's all the time he has left to try to extinguish the Jewish people. But you know what? There's 144,000 witnesses. Revelation 7 talks about 144,000 witnesses. There's going to be a great revival in that period. And the Jewish people, I think it is. Alex, correct me if I'm wrong on this, at some point, Revelation talks about this, wave where the Jewish people are hidden away for a period of time. Some people think it's Petra.

>> Alex McFarland: Yeah, yeah, Petra. And that the woman was given wings like an eagle to go and hide herself during.

>> Fred Jackson: The woman being Israel.

>> Alex McFarland: The woman being Israel. That's right, yeah.

>> Bert Harper: One correction for Alex. It's 4:30 when Dr. Jeremiah comes on.

>> Fred Jackson: I should have said central.

>> Bert Harper: Yeah, okay. I just, it was good.

Fred: I think Israel's attack on Iran is great news

Hey, Becky in Texas. Becky, thank you for calling today.

>> Caroline: Hi there. I wanted to let you know I'm so glad that you had Fred on. And Fred, I appreciate you coming on because I think this attack from Israel onto, Iran's weapon systems is great news and one of the biggest stories that there is.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Caroline: And I've been praying for the Israelis to win and for Netanyahu to be able to stay the distance. And I think God is answering that prayer and I'm sure that many, many, many people are praying that same thing. And I love the title they've given this Warfare Rising Lion. Thank you very much.

>> Fred Jackson: Did you hear what Netanyahu did when he went to the Wailing Wall? He put a piece of paper in with those words on it in Hebrew.

>> Alex McFarland: Wow.

>> Fred Jackson: just 24 hours before the attack.

>> Bert Harper: Okay, Becky, thank you.

How much do you think Satan has infiltrated the Jewish people today

Let's go to Arkansas and talk to Warren. Warren, thank you for calling.

>> Caroline: Yeah, appreciate, you guys taking my call. Listen, I had a quick, question. So back in the day when Christ was alive and was crucified, obviously Satan was, able to infiltrate the Jewish people. They are the ones that you Know wished Christ be crucified. How much do you think Satan has infiltrated the Jewish people today and all the different things that the Jewish population are involved in across as far as leadership roles and major businesses and things like that. And I'll hang up and listen to your comment.

>> Bert Harper: Okay, Warren, thank you. Let me just say this. Satan is going to infiltrate anywhere you give him a crack wherever it is, no matter Jews. but I think what happens is there are certain ones who have bigger, can I say, bull's eyes on them for, for Satan. And the Jewish population is one of those. Alex Jooger?

>> Alex McFarland: Yeah. well, about two weeks ago I had on the Hamilton corner a professor from Moody Bible Institute named Michael Rydelnik. I met him many years ago through Dr. Michael Brown, Dr. Barry Leventhal. Ah, born again Jewish people. this is exciting. Michael Rydelnik, said to me, and he himself is a born again Jewish man. He said 55 years ago during the Jesus movement. And Moishe Rosen, who we had on this show before he died, started Jews for Jesus, said, Alex, we knew in the whole wide world there might be 250 born again messianic Jews. He said now there were probably more than that that were very secretive. But he said those of us that were Jews for Jesus, we knew all the other Jews for Jesus, like in the world. He said today I don't even know all the born again Jews in New York City. There's so many and growing daily. And this is exciting folks. Dr. Michael Brown has said it. Joel Rosenberg has told me this. There are more born again messianic Jews at this moment than at any other previous time since the first two centuries.

>> Fred Jackson: Wow.

>> Alex McFarland: look up world. Your redemption draweth power.

>> Bert Harper: Hallelujah.

>> Fred Jackson: Amen. Those young couple that were assassinated outside the museum in Washington just a few weeks ago were both messianic Jews.

>> Alex McFarland: Amen.

>> Bert Harper: Amen.

>> Alex McFarland: Amen.

Alex Carland has two comments on the Philistines and anti Semitism

>> Bert Harper: Well, let's go to Texas and talk to Pedro. Pedro, thank you for calling. Go right ahead.

>> Caroline: Yeah, hi, thank you guys for taking my call. I have two comments. One is on the Philistines and second on anti Semitism. First, the Philistines, they are not really the current Palestinians are not descendants of the Philistines. The Philistines were people from Aegean Sea, which is the Mediterranean Sea. Between Greece and Turkey there's a bunch of islands. There was a people who came on ships and tried to invade Egypt. They failed and then they settled in Gaza. So the Philistines were Greeks. So the current Palestinians cannot say they are descendants of Abraham and descendants. Because they, they said they're Philistines. They're descendants of, Greeks.

>> Bert Harper: Okay, let's stop there because Pedro, Alex, the fascinating.

>> Alex McFarland: Well, and let me say this, too. And by the way, this is good stuff. You're right. They cannot legitimately lay claim to the land, nor the lineage of Abraham. And even if they could meaningfully try to document their, lineage from Abraham and Hagar, it doesn't matter. Still, the land was promised to Isaac and his descendants forever. And Islam. And much of their, claim. They try to attempt to claim Israel is less about genetics and more about geography. But again, Islam itself didn't even exist until 610 A.D. and it spread. I've got to say this about. I mentioned the Samuel S. Braden book. one of the things Muslims will say is they. They believe Islam is of God because it grew so rapidly in the 6th through the 1200. Here's what Samuel S. Braden said nearly 100 years ago. He said, the growth of Islam is simply proof that if you hold a sword to someone's neck, they will repeat what you tell them to say. But there were throughout the Old Testament, what was called, quote, the people of the land. And there have always been non Jews that oppose the line of Isaac in the land.

>> Bert Harper: Okay, Frank, Brett, Philip, Jay, sorry we couldn't get to your questions and comments today. we ran short on Fireway Friday. But, Fred, thank you. And, keep us up on this in the news department. We appreciate y' all guys are working overtime a little bit.

>> Fred Jackson: Good to be with you guys.

>> Bert Harper: Thank you, Fred. Alex, you're going to be preaching tomorrow at activate, so we want people to pray for you, right?

>> Alex McFarland: Yes. Yeah, please. I'll be speaking. The ACTIVATE summit is going on. Plus Sunday night in Myrtle Beach. Gary Chapman of the Five Love Languages, go to my website, alexmcfarland.com conversations but in the meantime, folks, tell somebody about the great work of the American Family Radio Network. Most of all, though, tell everybody about Jesus. And don't forget, be in church on Sunday. Be in the house of God. May the Lord bless you in all things.

>> Bert Harper: The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.