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Rick Green and Walker Wildman Co-host today
I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution coach, here with Walker Wildmon. One of those rare days where we get to be in studio together and co host the program. Walker. A lot to cover today and some, wow, some interesting announcements, just in the last few minutes. So we got a lot to cover on Iran and Israel. Of course, it's the 250th of Bunker Hill, so we got to talk a little bit of history and, and cover, that as well. But, man, thanks for, thanks for co hosting today. This will be fun.
>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely, Rick. And I'm not sure you and I can do a show without talking about history. That would be very unorthodox.
>> Rick Green: It would be. And you're actually headed up there. You're going to be taking people to the Boston area exactly four months, five months.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. David Barton, or Tim rather, Tim Barton, a good friend of yours and mine. we're going to be going, taking a group in October and we're already full, Rick, so that's great. I feel bad talking about it because people get excited and then they can't register.
>> Rick Green: Well, it just means we might have to do another one next year.
>> Walker Wildmon: Duly noted.
>> Rick Green: And I was just there. What was it? let's see. April 19th, I went out for the, for the 250th of the shot heard around the world, and I had a bunch of the Patriot Academy students with me. So we went on out to Bunker Hill and, you know, literally got to walk the fields there and see, where it all happened. Pretty, pretty, pretty wild that we're going to basically have some sort of date like that almost every other week or at least once a month between now and July 4, 2026. So a lot of opportunities for us to talk about these kind of things. I think the one on Bunker Hill that I like to emphasize is Dr. Warren, because we think of Patrick Henry as the greatest orator of the revolution. And he was. But had Warren survived Bunker Hill, he probably would have been. He was amazing, man. His speeches at, at the, Old South Meeting House there, where they would do those anniversary of the Boston Massacre for, like four years. They had these big gatherings and he did two of the speeches. John Hancock did one. I forget who the other one was, but, he was amazing. I mean, he was so. Such a good wordsmith, but also just such a. Such a patriot. And I loved his response to his mama. Mama said, hey, quit getting so close to the heat of the battle. Because I think after Lexington, he ended up, you know, following the British back and taking out a bunch of guys or whatever. And she's like, stop going so close. You're supposed to be at the back. You know, you're too important to the cause. And yeah, he said something to the effect of mom, you know, wherever danger is for the cause of liberty, that's where you'll find me. I love that. I mean, that's that be dangerous mindset anyway. Yeah, lots of cool stuff to cover.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, there is. We'll be on, going to Bunker Hill. Bunker Hill on Wednesday of our trip. So our trips a Sunday through a Thursday. And, we'll be doing the Freedom Trail. that's a full day, actually, probably a day and a half. And then. Yeah. USS Constitution, Bunker Hill, John Adams, Hallman State Park, Hancock, Clark House, Minuteman statue. There's a ton of history there.
>> Rick Green: I, If I were there with you, Walker, I'm not gonna be able to make this one. If I were there with you, I would have, some fake muskets, and we'd be running around in the fields like we were, you know, eight years old. I just. That stuff gets me so. I love walking in the steps of the founding fathers. I mean, there's nothing like it.
>> Walker Wildmon: Well, and what all they went through, Rick, doesn't even compare to what we experience today in modern America. you know, there was no vehicles. You, mentioned muskets, right? Single shot load manual load muskets. And, manual loaded cannons, horseback, foot. It was just a whole different ball game. And the fact that this ragtag group of farmers and woodsmiths and others beat the British is just still amazing to me. And it gets into our providential history as far as God's plan for America. and yeah, it's rich history, so you getting excited about it is justified.
>> Rick Green: Well, I'm thinking about even, like you said, the providential history part of it. Because even, you know, we did the 250th of Patrick Henry speech a couple of months ago. March 23rd was the big day. I know that because it was my birthday and he planned it that way he knew that 200 years later, I'd be born.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. In honor of Rick Green.
>> Rick Green: Yeah. Yes, that's right. anyway, no, he's, you know, because he talks. He talks about in there that, you know, there's a just God who presides over the destinies of nations and who will raise up friends to fight our battles. I mean, they absolutely had that providential worldview. And, just a segue to.
Warren: One paragraph from Patrick Henry's 1775 speech is amazing
Warren, real quick, I got to share just one. One little paragraph out of his. This was the last one that he gave this. So this was 1775, just a, you know, few months before the, Battle of Bunker Hill. And, And actually, I guess it would have been. It was actually a couple of weeks before Patrick Henry's speech, because this is like early March. March 6, I think, is Boston Massacre. Anyway, he says this. And you're going to recognize this Walker Walker, because Ronald Reagan quotes this in his first inaugural address. And this is way down in his speech. Now, I, want people to picture the Old south meeting house is packed. They literally had to let him in through a window. And the British soldiers are sort of sprinkled throughout the crowd there to intimidate him, basically saying, be careful what you say. And because he wasn't careful with what he said, that's why they literally dug up his body and desecrated his body. They hated this man. They killed him at Bunker Hill, and they hated him so much that they mutilated his body. But here's what he said. This is just one paragraph out of the whole speech.
>> Walker Wildmon: I.
>> Rick Green: Our country is in danger, but not to be despaired of. Our enemies are numerous and powerful, but we have many friends determining to be free and heaven and earth will aid in the resolution or aid the resolution. On you depend the fortunes of America. You are to decide the important question on which rest the happiness and liberty of millions yet unborn act worthy of yourselves. The faltering tongue of hoary age calls on you to support your country. The lisping infant raises its suppliant hands, imploring defense against the monster slavery. Your fathers look from their celestial seats with smiling approbation on their sons who boldly stand forth in the cause of virtue, but sternly frown upon the inhuman miscreant who to secure the loaves and fishes to himself would breed a serpent to destroy his children. Oh, that oratory. Just amazing. You know, for me, a guy that has trouble saying more than two syllable words, that is just. I mean, to me, when I saw. When I'm reading that, I just see the picture of, okay, we can either be, you know, smiled upon because we're carrying the torture freedom, we're protecting the torture freedom, or we're going to be the ones that get lazy and we breed a serpent to destroy our children and our future generations because we didn't do our job whenever we were called upon to defend freedom. Just, just wonderful.
>> Walker Wildmon: And the, to your point, the. At the time, that level of understanding, that level of being able to articulate the cause and that level of being able to, just be educated on why liberty was so important and is so important wasn't. That wasn't commonplace. Meaning, you know, you didn't have a university in every, you know, state, and every. At that time, every colony, at least to the degree that we do today, you didn't have this basically mass education, right? From K through 12, all the way up to higher ed. And so it was really up to our founding fathers and that generation to be studied up. So it didn't come easy, didn't come free. They had to read, they had to write, they had to understand history, they had to understand the scripture, how human nature works. And all of that drove, their determination.
>> Rick Green: That sounds a lot like tough times making tough men.
>> Walker Wildmon: I like that.
>> Rick Green: I like the way you just described that. And I do think, though, bro, there's a hunger for it now that we haven't seen. You know, people are more willing. they dive into the American family materials more. They dive into our Constitution classes at Patriot Academy, certainly not the majority of the country. but we're just looking for 3%. We just need that small percentage that's willing to do what you just described. I think searching the Scriptures, even just that, just the willingness to get into God's word, read through the Bible once a year, actually dive into some of those topics about how to treat your neighbor and how to form a society. There's more of an appetite for that now, I think, than that I know more than I've seen in my lifetime. And I think that's a really encouraging thing. And the fact that the 250th is happening and all throughout this year, the president's going to be talking about it just like he did last weekend on the army's 250th. And, there's just a great, It's a great opportunity, man. It's all kind of lining up for us to have a great year.
>> Walker Wildmon: There is. And people to your point are looking and the data is beginning to suggest this people are looking for purpose. I mean, they're tired of nothingness, which is what a lot of our culture offers is nothingness. I mean, between TikTok and all these other forms of entertainment and stimulation, a lot of folks are just getting to the end of it and saying there's no purpose here, there's no meaning. I want to be a part of something greater than myself. I want to be a part of restoring, America as we once knew it. and I think that's what's driving a lot of people.
Walker: I believe God is waking people up to the truth about ambition
And of course I can't say that without mentioning that I believe God's behind it. I believe God is waking people up to the truth that, we're not to live for ourself or selfish ambition. that we should be focused on something greater than ourselves, whether it's our family legacy, whether it's carrying on a family business, what we do with our local church and how we steward our citizenship in America. And everybody ultimately deep down has this desire for something greater than themselves. And I think a lot of people in this generation are realizing that.
>> Rick Green: Yeah, and I think it's multi generational even because I of course get to see that with the young people. I've already done a couple of the leadership congresses this summer, Colorado and Idaho. I'm headed to Florida tonight and we'll do one there for the next few days and then several more throughout the summer. But as you know, we get to work with these young people and we see the exact, exactly what you just described. This, frustration with the, emptiness of the culture and a searching for purpose and wanting to be a part of something bigger than themselves. But then it's also, In fact, Lance, Wellnow was out at the campus of a month or so ago. We were filming some of this stuff for this new course, Rebuilding Liberty. I had told Lance, I had heard his talk on convergence. I said, you got to come give me just 10 or 15 minutes on that to add to this course because there's these 50, 60, 70 year olds, even 80 year olds in their 80s going, I'm not done yet. I still want to be involved. I still want to make a difference. I want to be Caleb. I want to say in my 80s, give me that mountain. I'll take that toughest area. And there's a ton of people out there like that and they're just kind of looking going, okay, God, show me what to do. And that's why I encourage people listen to the corps every Day because Walker and I are constantly going to be talking about action steps, things you can do. It's not just information. We're not just saying, here's what's going on with Iran and Israel, which we'll talk about when we come back from the break. But, we're not just saying, here's what's going on in the world or with America and these executive orders we're almost always going to be talking in the program about, and here's what you can do with it. And I think, Walker, that's part of the challenge is people just haven't known what to do. They've had this stirring, but they haven't known what to do.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, yeah. And the wonderful thing about how God has established mankind and established nations and, and the family institution is that everyone, every person is given the opportunity to make an eternal impact. we all have a sphere of influence, whether it be small or large, to impact people for eternity. And that spills over into our community and our state and our nation. And so everybody has the same opportunity. you know, we're not all born into the same circumstances. Everybody comes from different backgrounds. Some people, you know, have more than others from a material standpoint, and some people have different opportunities than others. but we're all, given the chance to sow seeds of righteousness, of prosperity from a biblical perspective, through our children, through our grandchildren, and to really create generational blessings. and so that's what's wonderful about this country and biblical Christianity is that every person has the opportunity, to make a lasting impact.
>> Rick Green: Well, to your point, on the biblical foundations of it, I mean, that's the beauty of the parable, of the talents, right? That some start with more than others. But, we all have that responsibility to do the best we can with what we got, where we are, to multiply what God's given us, to be good stewards and in this case, you know, freedom and the country and the ability to influence what's going on out there. You know, you may have been given one talent, maybe two, maybe three, maybe five, whatever, whatever it is, whatever you started with, do the most with it that you possibly can and come alongside other people that want to make a difference. And we're going to rebuild liberty over this next year, folks. So make sure you're listening to the core every day. Make sure you're signing up for some of our classes, that you're getting these materials, that you're being a force multiplier, sharing with your friends and Family, share the program with your friends and family. but there's just going to be a lot of great opportunities to do that.
Rick Green: President Trump says we have air superiority over Iran
Some, some big things happening, of course, in the last few days and even in the last few minutes with regard to Iran and Israel and, and, and other, you know, big issues to talk about. And of course, we want to take some of your phone calls. So 888-589-8840 is the phone number 888-589-8840. In just the last few minutes, the President has announced that, and we're going to try to dive into this a little bit, that we have air superiority over Iran. So we don't know yet what he means by we. but very, very interesting. And of course, a big debate within the, conservative movement over whether or not we should be involved. So we'll talk about all of that when we come back. I'm Rick Green here with Walker Wildmon.
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>> Walker Wildmon: Welcome back to the second segment of this special edition of today's program At the Core here on American Family Radio. Walker Wildmon here. Rick Green and I are hosting this program together on, Today's Edition. And we try to do this once a month because the listening audience prefers it. And if, we do it too much, then you'll get used to it and then you won't appreciate it, so.
>> Rick Green: Or they'll get tired of us.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, it's kind of like Grandma's dessert. You know, she can't bake it every night. Just every once a week or so.
>> Rick Green: Did you just call us Grandma's dessert?
>> Tim Mahoney: I don't know.
>> Rick Green: Well, you know, I mean, is that like banana pudding? No, they just call you pudding.
>> Walker Wildmon: Look, Rick, if it doesn't sound good, just don't even talk about it anymore. Just move on. Right. That's what I've learned about bad analogies and bad jokes. Just, just keep going. Right. And people will forget about them.
>> Rick Green: Yeah, there you go.
>> Walker Wildmon: But you had to, you had to like ask about it, right?
>> Rick Green: I had to just drag it out.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yep.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. So then I was like, instead of looking dumb once, I look dumb twice.
>> Rick Green: No, I just wondered what that said about our relationship, that's all. I just, you know, trying to figure it out.
>> Walker Wildmon: Well, we're tight. We're tight. I don't think we're like dessert though. I don't think that's a good. No, no, we're better than that.
>> Rick Green: All right, Shows off the rails. Can we go to break here?
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. Back break after 30 seconds. Yes, Rick.
I have reservations about full fledged involvement in the war between Israel and Iran
let's talk about what's going on in Israel.
>> Rick Green: Yeah.
>> Walker Wildmon: this has been obviously roughly a week in the making, maybe a little more than that. As far as when Israel began, striking Iran. there's a divided, party, there's divided parties on this and within the conservative movement there. Actually I haven't heard much from the left on this topic. Much debate at least. but amongst the conservative movement and even amongst some evangelical Christians, there's disagreement on what level of US engagement should be involved here. And I'll just tell you my position, the way I'm viewing it today, subject to change. and then you can let me know what you think. But I have reservations about full fledged involvement in the war between Israel and Iran. And here's my primary concern. My primary concern, as has been with the Ukraine issue, with Afghanistan, with Iraq, my concern is that what looks like maybe a one month campaign to disable, Iran's nuclear program turns into a ten year war worth trillions of dollars and who knows how many American lives. That's my concern. After watching these things play out over the last 20 plus years, that's what I think about. Every time there's a question about does the US get involved in a foreign conflict, I immediately go to, all right, is this going to turn into a decade or 20 years and $5 trillion and endless American lives? But I understand as well the threat that Iran poses now. How far are they from a nuclear weapon? I don't know. Israel says they were close, they were weeks away. You know, Iran, disputes that. so I don't know. Did they have a nuke? Do they not? I don't know. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I mean, Israel's not perfect and we shouldn't assume that everything that Israel says is a cold, hard truth. But I believe that Iran was developing a Nuclear weapon because they themselves admitted to it. They said they are producing a nuclear weapon and they have the right to. and so I understand the threat to Israel. Obviously the Iranian mullahs want to take out Israel. They say that on national television every week. so I think Iran's a problem. I think that if we could have a less dangerous Iran on the block over there in the Middle East, I think that would be beneficial for America and our allies. What links I'm willing to go to ensure that I don't really know. what are your thoughts, man?
>> Rick Green: I think you summarized it fantastic and I think so many people, feel exactly the same way. And you really just described exactly the thought process, that most of us have been going through here. And I think we can even step back and say, why is it that we have hesitation? and even just from a public policy, foreign policy perspective, you know, my friend Matthew Farace said it best last, night on Flashpoint. He said, he said, we got to remember, all wars are not the same. And immediately, my response was, yeah, I think what's happened is we've got this, we're so frustrated with the, you know, stupid foreign wars, right? The times when we have gone in, done exactly what you're describing. And I was actually thinking 20 years, right? Where we go in not knowing really what our objective is, or we get, you know, mission creep, and it just ends up being 20 years and trillions of dollars and we didn't actually secure anything for the long term. And then of course all the fraud and the Ukraine thing, that just seems so ridiculous. Still seems ridiculous to me. and then Powell on top of that, the loss of trust in the institutions and so not trusting the CIA, not trusting the FBI, not trusting even the president and the administration and the State Department and just all of the cynicism that we've justifiably, grown into over the last few years. And you pile all that in. And I completely understand the somewhat knee jerk reaction of everyone just to say, I don't want to help anybody. We got to fix our own country. I don't want any money going anywhere. I don't want anybody, any of our young men dying for anybody else. I totally understand people having that perspective. I start with, first of all, the exception to the rule, as you even just alluded to, with, it being Israel and the biblical command of support of Israel and all of those things, and the political ally that they are in terms of being the only real market economy and constitutional republic and all of those things in the Middle East. And so I start with that. And then of course there are situations where even someone that doesn't fit all of those definitions, we should still intervene or help if all of the, a lot of other boxes are checked. So I just throw all of that into the picture. Just to say we have to our side has to be more intellectually curious and willing to dive deeper and do exactly what you and I are doing right now, talking it through and thinking through these things. So for those people that have just jumped on the bandwagon of we shouldn't do any of this and we just got to. I understand where you're coming from, but let's dive a little deeper. And I think now we can do. Now let's look at this situation with regard to that because I do think there's. Also. Just throw into this one more time and I'll stop filibustering here or throw in one more thing. There does seem to be an opportunity to really reshape the Middle east and the whole conflict. Conflict. Because Iran has been at the center of all of this terrorism and they got so much money and Obama and Biden both opened the floodgates for them with the money that allowed them to do a lot of the terrorism. And so if a regime change could take place or if the Iranian people could rise up and be like they were in the 70s, there's a possibility. But I'm like you, I want to know going in, like not just be knee jerk reaction here. I want to know going in.
>> Walker Wildmon: I know. And, and Rick, the thing is is there's not a lot of these conversations happening that you and I are having. because there's these opposite ends of the spectrum and I mean exhibit A of this is Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, that kind of group, which I actually agree with with Tucker on, I don't know, probably 80% of the issues, maybe more than that. but then there's the Sean Hannity's and the reason I'm mentioning these two is because they're having this public back and forth right now, your Mark Levins, your Lindsey Grahams out of South Carolina. And so the Tucker Carlson's of the world, they're just like, no, we ought not be involved in any of these foreign conflicts. And that's their default position. And they really don't argue beyond that. They just keep going back to the fact that, that we've got our problems domestically and we ought not be involved in foreign conflicts. All right, then your Lindsey Graham's. They're like. He, like, gets excited about war. And I'm saying that. I'm not being sarcastic. When you watch Lindsey Graham and others like that, talk about Iran, you know, you would think that Iran had, like, killed their grandmother or something. They're, like, so emotional and religious and, like, adamant that we've got to, like, obliterate Iran.
>> Rick Green: Right.
>> Walker Wildmon: Without weighing out and talking through the. What does that lead to? And this is where. This is the question that we won't know until we get to the other side of this. If the US And Israel push it this far, and that is what is the ultimate objective here? All right. Because if the. If the. Obviously, if you say, well, the ultimate objective is to eliminate Iran's nuclear capabilities.
Do you destabilize Iran if you topple the government
Okay, that's. That makes sense. What is. What do you have to do to get there? And do you destabilize Iran? And when I say, do you destabilize Iran? I'm talking about, do you cause the government to fall?
>> Rick Green: Right.
>> Walker Wildmon: If you cause the government to fall, that might lead to problems that we didn't sign up for. All right. Where you have. Where you have a vacuum, where your ISIS comes in, and then instead of eliminating the mullahs, we're now having to fight isis, just like we did in Syria.
>> Rick Green: Right.
>> Walker Wildmon: And other places. And so that's where I think we're kind of at this. This pivotal moment where the US Leadership is going to have to decide how far do we want to take this and what do we want this to look like on the other side.
>> Rick Green: Yeah.
>> Walker Wildmon: And personally, I think if we. If we topple the whole government, which we've gotten pretty. Israel's gotten pretty close. They've. They've toppled a lot of the military command, but the. The, Ayatollah is still. You know, he's still alive, still in charge. I think if we topple the whole thing in the name of eliminating Iran's nuclear capabilities, I think there's a possibility that we regret that down the road because of the instability in the region that it further creates.
>> Rick Green: Yeah. There's so many of those countries like that out there. Right. That. That you get rid of one bad guy and the next one's even worse or.
>> Walker Wildmon: Right.
>> Rick Green: you know, certainly. Certainly not better. And the instability with the types of weapons that they have is even more of a problem, for sure. And I think for me, this one also comes down to. At least for a little while. And I'm always hesitant to even say this, but trust the guy in the room and trust the guy that we elected to make these tough decisions on the fly and that he can read the situation and pray that he gets good advice and that he does maneuver this and know when to push and when to pull and, and, you know, obviously trust but verify, as Reagan would have said. and it only goes so far, and there's only so much of a leash there before you, and don't be afraid to ask questions. But I am kind of at this point right now, just on the heels of all of it with this. Okay. I know Trump does not want to be in a drawn out war. He's been masterful at keeping us out of conflicts and war. So knowing that I like the fact that he's the guy in the room and that he would hopefully only go as far as we absolutely have to go and then get us out of there as quick as possible. we both know, and we've talked about, you know, there's no doubt what Eisenhower called the military industrial complex that drives a lot of this stuff. And it's, and it's often about money and not, saving lives and protecting people. And so it's a muddy, messy, messy situation and could become a very, you know, far worse. So we've got to pray for wisdom for Trump and for Rubio and Hegseth and that whole team. but, man, I'm, I'm amazed, I'll say this on the, on the bright side, if a lot of the reports are true, and I'm really trying hard to figure out what's propaganda and what's not, because the, you know, the, Iranians are really good at funding a propaganda machine that had me convinced on late Saturday night that they had a female pilot that they had shot down these F35s. I mean, it was like coming through my feed every other post. It was amazing. I was like, I don't follow any of these people. How is this happening? But, anyway, so I'm trying to read through the propaganda and what's true and what's not true. But if what's happening, if what I'm hearing from my Israeli sources is true, then they really are conducting an amazing surgical strike. Yeah, that, that, that so far is very much like the Six Day War in that they're having just tremendous success, in a very short period of time. So I, you know, I don't know how much of that to believe yet. Right. Until we see a lot. But, but if that's true, then, you know, maybe this is a situation where we provide Some air cover and some support for a little while and it doesn't turn into a ten year thing because they're very capable. Well then why not doing this by themselves?
>> Walker Wildmon: Well, and I don't think Israel can afford a long term war, politically, economically, etc. But, so that probably works in the US advantage as far as, hey, let's get this thing over with and be done with it. I do, I do like that Israel is being strategic here. because there's been from, from what I've read, very minimal civilian casualties in Iran. I'm not going to say zero, but there's been very minimal civilian, casualties in Iran, mostly military officers that have been taken out. And Israel, to my knowledge, is not targeting civilian infrastructure, they're targeting military sites, missile launchers, etc. So basically what I'm getting at is this, this doesn't look like another Gaza where you have entire residential areas completely wiped out. You got a humanitarian crisis right now. The Iranian leadership could come to the table and agree to the US And Israeli demands of completely getting rid of the nuclear weapons. And assuming that everybody holds up their end of the bargain, there's at least a country left, right, and a structure left. But I think it's going to get to the point where Trump tells the Ayatollah, if he hasn't already, that you can agree to all of our terms and we can stop this right now or you're going to have to depart Iran. You can go to Russia, China, you pick. But we're picking your successor. We're picking, the next leader, that is going to be Western friendly and that means you're probably going to have to redo the parliament and their whole government structure because they're all radicalized. That's the problem here. Now there is a lot of Western influence and a lot of Christianity actually spreading on the ground in Iran.
>> Rick Green: Yeah, that's right.
>> Walker Wildmon: But the government leaders and the government officials, officials in Iran, they're the radicals.
>> Rick Green: That's right, that's right. And yeah, in fact, I think I read a few minutes ago, if I read this correctly, that Trump has essentially said that and said, we know exactly where you are, we could take you out right now if we wanted to. I'm giving you a chance. And yeah, who knows where all of that goes. And like you said, who would be the successor? Is it this? apparently there's a royal family that was ousted. I don't know enough of the history of Iran. Somebody call in with a, that's more of an expert on this than me, from a distance that has, been exiled and could be brought back in. I think that is the harder part for sure is like, how do you clean up the mess once it's done? Because it's a little bit like Gaza from the standpoint of 50 years now of indoctrination and literally breeding hatred into your people through the education system. Hatred, of the Jewish people and Israel and America. And so it is. Even though, like you said, there's a renaissance happening on the ground, there's Christianity spreading all of these things, man. You're fighting also against 50 years of that radical, just hatred of Israel.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, yeah.
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Walker Wildmon and Rick Green discuss Iran, Israel
Welcome back to at the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Greene. I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution coach, here with Walker Wildmon on a special edition of the Corps. A rare opportunity for us to be on the program together. And, we'll take your phone calls during this final segment. 888-589-8840. Walker, we're kind of, still in the middle of this, Iran, Israel conversation and sort of this. It is a strange place to be because we know biblically we want to support Israel. We don't want to be manipulated. And, and we also have a duty at home to protect America. And so we have to balance all of these things. And so in, you know, knowing how to respond to this and, it looks like before we go to phones, just your thoughts on, on maybe even the internal conflict within the administration that, that not everybody there agrees either, not just in the, in the movement.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Rick Green: but he's probably having to, you know, hear from, you know, different voices on his team that some of which would not want to go in at all. Some that want to go all the way. yeah, I Mean, I wonder we got to pray for wisdom for him because he's hearing a lot of voices right now, not his head, but.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, there's, there's the, the administration split on this and I think that's why you are getting conflicting reports from the media is because you have different people leaking on different sides, trying to shape the narrative one way or the other. You know, honestly, I think, I think the answer, the truth is somewhere in the middle. I think there are your hardliners. We don't need to be involved. You know, we've got enough problems of our own. We've got $37 trillion in debt. you know, and all these, all these valid concerns about the homeland. And so they say no, zero involvement, right? Nothing, not even weapons, no money, nothing. And then, then you've got your, your other side, your, your kind of, your hawks, if you will. Your Lindsey Grahams and others that are, they're jumping at every war, right? They want the US to be everywhere, all the time, bombing everybody.
>> Rick Green: He's a true warmonger. Right. I haven't been a Lindsey Graham fan for long, long, long.
>> Walker Wildmon: No, I mean, there's not a war.
>> Rick Green: This is one of the reasons there's not a war. He wouldn't.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, I mean, he gets, he gets unusually excited about war and it's, it's rather concerning to watch how somebody can be so kind of giddy and careless and jump in the gun. War is a very sobering thing. I mean, when you think about the human cost, it should be something we kind of don't want to talk about. And when we do, we're very sober minded about it.
>> Rick Green: That's right.
>> Walker Wildmon: and so, yeah, there's the two ends of the spectrum, but I think that the truth and the right thing to do is probably somewhere in the middle. And that is we need to support Israel. they're our greatest ally in the region. Of course, you've got the biblical perspective as well, which is important. but we also don't need to get roped into something that ends up lasting years and doesn't really serve our long term interest as well. So somewhere in the middle is probably a good balance.
>> Rick Green: Yeah, yeah, I think that's exactly the right approach.
Walker: The fastest growing church in the world is in Iran
Well, let's, let's head to the phones. We got Gary in Louisiana. Gary, you're up first today, man. Go ahead. Hey, Gary, can you hear us? Gary, we hear your road noise, but we don't hear you. He got busy. He's Ordering a burger and fries right now.
>> Walker Wildmon: I bet he's on cruise control.
>> Rick Green: Actually, he's in Louisiana. He's not ordering a burger, fries. He's getting some good shrimp gumbo at the drive through somewhere.
>> Walker Wildmon: Gary? Gary, you there, man?
>> Rick Green: All right, I'm gonna put you back on hold and, and we'll see if he comes back. I think I can do that. I'm not. There we go. Hold. There we go. All right, let's head over to, Scott in Mississippi. He's got, he's got a recommendation for us of someone that's an expert on this. That's. I'm always looking, Walker, for people that. No more than me, you know what I'm saying? So let's see what Scott's recommending. Go ahead, Scott. Hey, guys, I think this is a God thing. I think y' all might want to talk to this guy and get either one of y' all on one of your shows. he is, he's a former president. He just stepped down as president of SAT7. They've been broadcasting the gospel in Iran for years now, and nobody can stop them. And he is, he's been a very regular, guest on Don Hawkins encouragement live that AFR broadcasts every Saturday night at 7 o' clock. And Rex is a wealth of information about how the people there are responding to the gospel, over the years. And I think y' all could really get. Could learn a lot from hearing him. He's very well spoken and down to earth. And yeah, it's really, he's really. I think people like that are going to help the lay people understand how important what's going on now is from a lot more than just a geopolitical standpoint.
>> Rick Green: Yeah, that'd be good. Thank you, Scott. Appreciate you. Appreciate you calling in with that. And, Walker, I was shocked, man, about, I don't know, four or five months ago, my pastor put a stat up on the screen and he showed how many people were coming to the Lord in Iran. And it was just. I couldn't believe it. I mean, it was just like true revival was taking place. And of course, part of that, you know, you see the gospel thrive in places where there's persecution. And, you know, this almost an underground church, people, it's just something about it, man, that makes them appreciate the gospel more and then they want to go live it out and be true disciples. Not just this Sunday morning, sugary, sweet Christianity, they're into salty Christianity. And so apparently that's what's been happening in Iran.
>> Walker Wildmon: I've heard the same thing. I've actually heard the fastest growing church in the world, is in Iran, meaning the number of conversions, the number of baptisms, the number of people coming to faith. Iran is where it's at around the world. Maybe per capita is probably the way they're measuring that. but, yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing what's happening. And I can't tell you how many testimonies I've heard from former Muslims that they have these dreams where they see Jesus, they meet Jesus, and then, boom, they convert to Christianity. I've heard multiple testimonies of Muslims who've come to faith in Jesus, through very supernatural experiences, where the Holy Spirit really convicts them and turns them around. let me give the number one more time for folks that want to call in 8858-988408-88589-8840.
According to cnn, President Trump is warming up to strike Iranian nuclear facilities
Rick, let me just update you on some of the latest developments. Yeah, because this seems to be transpiring as we're on the radio here, but President Trump is now in the Situation Room with the National Security Council at the White House. according to cnn. Now, these are, once again, some of these media reports are different, administration officials that are trying to shape the narrative one way or the other. So who knows how much water this holds? But according to cnn, President Trump is warming up to the idea of using military assets in Iran, to strike their nuclear facilities. President Trump's going to give a press statement, here in just a little while after he leaves the Situation Room. And Israel is currently under another barrage of ballistic missile missiles, in, Israel as we speak. so this thing, this thing isn't cooling off.
>> Rick Green: Yeah.
>> Walker Wildmon: At all. And I thought maybe at some point Iran's going to stop firing ballistic missiles and just lay low in hopes that Israel does as well. But it seems like, Rick, every three hours, Iran's launching more missiles into Israel.
>> Rick Green: I think we've heard at this point about 10% are actually getting to the ground that the Star wars system is, Iron Dome is intercepting about 90%. you know, I was also reading. I was just looking at. I think this might help us with the whole, you know, trusting the guy in the room for a little bit here and seeing, how far he goes on this and the question of how close is Iran to it, to a nuclear weapon? Because, you know, you hear people say that, and that's how they kind of entice us to get into these things. This is Vice, President J.D. Vance. He said first, the President has been amazingly consistent over 10 years that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. And over the last few months, he encouraged his foreign policy team to reach a deal with the Iranians to accomplish the goal. The President has been clear, has made clear that Iran cannot have uranium enrichment. And he said repeatedly that this, would happen one of two ways. The easy way or the other way. and then Vance. I'm reading this from the epoch times, by the way. Vance sought to distinguish between Iran having a nuclear program and a program producing civilian nuclear energy. He said, quote, Iran could have civilian nuclear power without enrichment. But Iran rejected that. Meanwhile, they've enriched uranium far above the level necessary for any civilian purpose. They've been found in violation of their non proliferation, obligations. And, it's one thing to want civilian nuclear energy, it's another thing to demand sophistication, sophisticated enrichment capacity. It's still another to cling to enrichment while simultaneously violating basic non proliferation obligations and enriching to the point of weapons grade uranium. Last thing he says he may decide. the President absolutely has the, advance expressed appreciation for Trump's maintaining the U.S. military focus on protecting U.S. troops and citizens. He said, quote, he may decide he needs to take further action to end Iranian enrichment. That decision ultimately belongs to the President. And then this is what you and I were saying earlier, but I believe the President has earned some trust on this issue. And having seen this up close and personal, I can assure you that he is only interested in using the American military to accomplish the American people's goals. Whatever he does, that is his main focus. So, you know, a little bit more detail there, beyond what you and I were saying earlier, but the same spirit, you know, that we're basically saying, okay, we're going to trust the guy in the room. He doesn't want to be in a long war here. He doesn't want to do anything that's beyond what's absolutely necessary. And then to that specific issue, it's not necessarily whether or not they have the weapon yet, it's whether or not they've gone way beyond anything they need. That's just civilian energy.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, that's good.
Walker: Israel does not have the capabilities to take out nuclear facilities
Hey, Rick, I think we've got Gary back.
>> Rick Green: Oh, Gary. All right, let's try you again. Gary in Louisiana. Did you get the gumbo? No, we're kidding, man. Go ahead. Can you hear us? thank you for, taking my call. Yes, you guys are. I Listen to you all the time. And you guys have, pretty much covered everything. the one thing I did want to say, Israel does not have the capabilities to take out those nuclear power plant, nuclear power facilities that's going to take B52 bombers to take them out because they're so buried so far under the ground. so we kind of have to get involved. You can't trust these people. I don't care what they sign or what they say. They're untrustworthy. The mullahs have to go, to ever get any peace, in the Middle east over there. anyway, you guys have covered pretty much everything else. From what I'm hearing, and from what I've read, it's going to take those B52 bombers to take out the facility, the nuclear facilities. on the other thought that you guys were sharing, and I would never give his name. I know a missionary in Iran, and there is a lot of people turning to Christianity there. That is a real thing, without a doubt.
>> Walker Wildmon: Praise God. But praise God. Hey, thanks, Gary. Appreciate it, brother. You know, Rick, Rick, I think. I think Gary's probably right there. And that's what I'm reading as well, as far as the need for the B52 to truly, go deep into the mountains of Iran to take out that facility. the, So, So that was very good. Good insight from Gary. Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
>> Rick Green: And two, you know, I mean, of course, I don't know any of that technology. Right. I don't. I don't know what's actually needed, what's not. I'm not an expert on that. It's way beyond, my expertise, but, there. May I. There's a side of me. This is terrible. Maybe I shouldn't say this on the air, but there's a side of me that's like, okay, well, it might just be good practice for our B52s.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, we don't use them very often.
>> Rick Green: Yeah. If some of this stuff's going to be outdated in another six months or a year, I'm like, you know, hey, it's kind of like when I go grab something in the fridge that's going to be. It's going to be bad tomorrow, so I'm going to go ahead and eat that tonight. I could actually see the American military and President Trump saying, you know what? Those, those, those facilities need to go. We're going to go ahead and come in and help you with that. Obviously, I'm being somewhat facetious because we know when we do that. we also now draw the ire of the, you know, most of the Muslim community. Now, I would, I did want to ask you this. Walker, there's some Muslim countries that have really moderated in the last few years.
>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely.
>> Rick Green: May very well side with America and Israel on this. They want the terror to stop too.
>> Walker Wildmon: That's a good point.
Rick Green: If you take out Iran without destabilizing the entire region
And here I'm glad you brought that up because it reminded me of something I wanted to make a point on earlier, and that is what's not being talked about, it's being murmured about, but not broadly, is the historic opportunity for peace in the entire region. To your point, you have Saudi Arabia, you have Egypt, you have Qatar, you have, Jordan and others that are Muslim majority countries in the region that are at peace with Israel. Now, of course, do they love Israel? No, they don't love Israel like America loves Israel, but they also don't shoot missiles at Israel. And they, they, have commercial flights going back and forth and, passports are exchanged, etc. And so if you eliminate the Iran factor here, whatever that looks like, without creating this massive instability where Hezbollah and Hamas are no longer getting funding and they're basically decapitated, you're talking about peace that hasn't been seen in that region that I'm aware of in modern history. if you take out Iran without, once again, without destabilizing the entire region, if you're able to thread that needle, Rick, you're talking about levels of peace that hasn't been seen, at least in my lifetime.
>> Rick Green: I mean, it could be an absolute game changer for a season. that really does transform the Middle east for, for potentially generations. And it is exactly what you just described. We know they're the ones that have funded all these different groups you just named. And if you dry up that source and prevent that from happening, I mean, will they still exist? Maybe. Will they still get money from other radicals? Nothing like what they've been able to get and what they've been able to do with the revenue they've been able to make because of Biden and Obama being foolish about those things. So I think you're right, man. I think that potential is really there. I had a friend of mine that's an Assyrian Christian mentioned, to me this weekend when we were talking about it. He came from Iran, he's a phenomenal guy. And he said his concern is the regime always gets worse when you change the regime over there. And so that's what he's worried about. And it was Interesting to hear from him with that being his people. I mean, he prays for the Iranian people all the time. He's still got relatives there. But he's like, Rick. I don't want Trump to get distracted from the domestic agenda that's so important and what he's doing to rebuild liberty here. But I do think to that I would say we can walk and chew gum and America has the ability to, to deal with some of these international things while dealing with. And I think Trump definitely has the ability to do it as well.
>> Walker Wildmon: I agree. Yeah, I agree. I don't think President Trump is going to drag us into something that is beyond, a few months, maybe six month conflict. but, but we're not. I don't think we're going to be sitting here in two years talking about war with Iran still.
>> Rick Green: Yeah, Amen. That's. And that's what we need to pray for everybody. Pray for wisdom for President Trump, discernment, how far to go, what to do and for the Israelis to be effective in what they're doing and for it to be short term, more like the Six Day War than something that would be drug out like Iraq and Afghanistan ended up being.
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