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Rick Green: We're becoming Constitution City, Texas
>> Rick Green: Welcome to at the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green. I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution coach. Thanks for joining me today. We've got a lot of headlines to get to and some good interviews, so I'm just going to jump right into it. by the way, I just want to ask the audience for some prayer. We've got our biggest event of the year at Patriot Academy at our campus coming up in just a couple of days. We've had, an amazing, amazing July. We've incorporated as a city or we're in the process of doing that. We're actually becoming Constitution City, Texas. Really? Really. Co you can follow along with that adventure on my Facebook page or X page or where else are we doing this? let's say YouTube. You can watch the what we call the Tavern, which is my weekly live show. We've gone back to doing live just this week and so Mondays at 6 you can watch that live on YouTube X and on Facebook. anyway, keeping the updates going there and then every few days we're giving a little 60 second update. but exciting. Very, very cool. Constitution City, Texas. And a lot of good reason to do it, least of which is the best address on the planet. 1776 Patriot Way Constitution City, Texas. Come on. Isn't that cool? Okay. also just restoring property rights, being able to dictate our own future and build out the campus in the best way possible without, other people that don't even ever come to the campus telling us how to do it. So where was I going with all that? Oh, yeah. So we've got a ton of people at the campus for this, you know, starting this city and doing all these things. And had had our first Patriot Institute summer intensive. And we're just wrapping that up this weekend, at least the new part of it. And then all of these students will stay over for our largest event of the year, which is our National Leadership Congress. And you've heard us talk about for years, Leadership Congress. Walker came to Leadership Congress a long time ago at the Texas Capitol, and then we started doing it in state capitals across the country. So we've done several of those this summer. I think we did six. And now our big one is a, full seven days at the Patriot Academy campus in our own legislative hall. So we built essentially our own state capitol. It's not a full state capitol, but it's a full legislative hall. So we have a beautiful house chamber with amazing paintings and, speaker's dais, just like the Texas House. In fact, it's an exact replica. And then we have six amazing committee rooms that are named after great patriots like Ronald Reagan and John Peter Gabriel Muhlenberg and William Wilberforce and Dietrich Bonhoeffer and, Abraham Lincoln and George Whitfield. Anyway, great, great, great facility at the Patriot Academy campus. So we can actually host now the Leadership Congress. And we did that last summer. That was the first time we quite literally were get finishing the carpet upstairs as the students were walking in. It was a very, very short fuse for getting that done. We built out that whole thing in 163 days. And when I say we, I'm using that term loosely. I did very little of that. I was running around the country raising the money to pay for it, and my wife oversaw all of it. Did an incredible job. Kara is just a master builder and designer. And just incredible, what she was able to do, what God was able to do. Through her and a ton of volunteers, people came in from all over the nation to stain death and put chairs together and lay carpet and just do all of that incredible work that it took. at any rate, we will have our second one at the campus starting in just a couple of days. And so I'm asking you to pray for our leadership for our speakers, for the students themselves. I mean, these are young people, 16 to 25 years old, that are coming in from all over the nation to, really learn how to be a good leader, learn how to be a biblical citizen. Really learn what it means to be a biblical citizen in America. So they're going to live out a legislative session for the entire week. They're gonna learn how campaigns work. They're really gonna learn this arena of government and citizenship and our role as citizens. Not just thinking of the government as somebody, in a far away, distant capital, the bureaucrats, the elected officials, all that. But us, we the people. We are our government. We elect representatives to go deal with the day to day and make those daily decisions. But we the people are the government. And so when I put these kids in this environment of a, of a, a legislative session there, there's an epiphany moment at some point during, during the week where they realize, hey, I could, I can do this. either I could do it as an actual legislator someday, or I can do this as a citizen. I can influence my legislature, I can influence my city council and, and, and, and school board and all of these other outlets. It, it is, it is a proven, proven process. We've done this for 25 years now. We've got thousands and thousands of graduates, government or business or politics or ministry or whatever it might be. And they're making a big difference. They're serving as biblical citizens in Congress and state legislatures and city councils and, just every area you can think of. So we know this works, but it has to be covered in prayer. And we want these students to find God's perfect will for their lives. We want them to discover the passion that he's planted in their heart. So that, like that famous Eric Liddell, the Olympian, that refused to run on the Sabbath. Like he said, when I run, I feel God's pleasure. That means he found that thing that God designed him to do at that time in his life. And that's what we want these kids to find. 16 to 25, I shouldn't say kids, but these young adults, we want them to find that thing that when they do that they feel God's pleasure, that they know they're doing what he designed them to do and finding that early in life, wow, man, that is a sweet spot. That allows them to launch quickly into that mission field that he's called them to, whatever that might be. And that's why I'm not a big proponent of college anymore. I think for some people, yes, it makes sense and it's part of their path and what they're going to do. But for most, I think it's a waste. It's a waste of four years. It's a waste of these days, man, crazy amounts of money. I'm talking people are spending 2 and $300,000 to get a bachelor degree. It's insane. and so anyway, this is much, much a much, much better way for them to find their passion, discover their passion, plan out their purpose, and then learn how to execute that plan. And we teach them how to do. They get a taste of it over this next week during this National Leadership Congress. And then if they choose to come spend a full year with us at the institute, they really dive deep into those things and get launched.
I'm asking you for prayer for Patriot Academy students next week
So, anyway, starting today's program, just asking you for prayer and for lifting up these students throughout the week, that a particular speaker or a moment on the floor when they're debating or in a conversation in one of our evening sessions, that they will have some epiphany moments that God will speak to them about what he wants them to do, that they will, for some of them, that they'll, you know, have an encounter with God where they really build their relationship, their personal relationship with Jesus Christ. for some of them, it's, it's, it's going to be building relationships with other Christians that they realize they're not alone, that there are others that, that believe like them, that share their values, that that will come alongside them. We know this. We've seen it happen, as I said, for 25 years. So, so I kind of. I know what's going to happen next week, but I also know it's got to be covered in prayer and that God has to lead those, those special moments. So please consider doing that. Just, you know what, time of the day or throughout next week. they're going to get here on Sunday and be here through Saturday. So, just as you're thinking about it next week, please consider praying for these young people and praying for our Patriot Academy team as we put on this program. I may even broadcast live from the campus, from the House Chamber with the students next week. We'll see how the schedule works out. My studio is on the campus as well, but not right by the chamber. So we'll just see how it all works out, but definitely be in prayer, and be lifting up these students.
There are incredible revelations about President Obama's role in the Russian hoax
Okay, a couple of quick headlines before, before I get to our first interview of the day. there are incredible revelations being. Being released by the White House by Tulsi Gabbard. these are not. I guess I should say they're incredible revelations in that they're documented. We all knew this was taking place. We all ranted about this in 2016 and all throughout 2020. And, you know, we knew the Russia thing was a hoax. We knew this whole thing was meant to derail Donald Trump, to set up the impeachments, to just literally, a coup against the president. But we kind of reached a point where, I don't know about you, but I started thinking they're just gonna get away with it. They're not going to be punished for what they've done or even exposed for what they did, because the major media covered it up for them and went along with them and helped perpetrate the hoax and did everything they could, the media and the Democrat Party, to undermine the duly elected President of the United States and then to, manipulate the election process to get him out after four years. And then, thankfully, God brought him back. And frankly, all of it, in God's timing and all things really do work together for good, for those who love the Lord and are called according to his purpose, because we have a totally different President Trump now. And to that point, I believe that these revelations about President Obama's role in this fraud that was perpetrated on the American people in this hoax, the highest level officials in the Democrat Party and the administration, are obviously culpable. The question is, will there be prosecutions? Will there be enough investigation and enough evidence to actually prosecute, and will there be the political will to actually prosecute these people for what they did? And 10 years ago, 15 years ago, I would have said, no way, Never. It will never happen. And, in fact, we watched President Trump give Hillary Clinton a pass when she was guilty, as you can be. I mean, the evidence was there. She absolutely violated the law with regard to classified information and her servers and computers and all of those things, and the evidence was all there. And President Trump made the decision, as president, to basically direct his DOJ to back off and to not prosecute her in order to try to bring unity in the country. And that was at that point where, when President Trump came in in January 2017, where he genuinely believed that, you know, we all love our country. I mean, we may have different ideas about how it will work best, but we love our country. And at the end of the day, after the election, we come together to do what's best for the country. And the campaigns are nasty, but that's just campaigns. I mean, that's. He really believed that. And then he found out, no, these people don't love their country. No, they actually hate their nation. They actually are willing to do things to completely destroy their nation. And we've seen that. We absolutely watched it happen for the last four years, and we're still living with the consequence. This guy shot in the face in New York by a dirt bag illegal alien that came over here illegally, committing crimes all over the place. Already been arrested multiple times for first and second degree assault in New York and continued to be let out on the streets. The Biden administration had him where they caught him coming across the border and could have sent him back and instead welcomed him into our country. And that's just one of millions. And so these people, they clearly hate their country and will do anything to undermine it, and certainly do anything to undermine the rule of law, to get their way and to hold on to power. I mean, if you think they are not willing to abuse the justice system and the rule of law, you have been sleeping under a rock somewhere. And so this idea that we would not go after them and prosecute them might have been true 10 years ago and was true for President Trump's decision to not prosecute Hillary. But after they did what they did to him, after all the lawfare and all the persecution and all the, I mean, going after. And criminally prosecuting attorneys like John Eastman for simply giving legal opinions on how the Constitution works and how the entire electoral process, is supposed to work with the Electoral College and everything else, and elections. I mean, these persecutions, these political persecutions that the left did, I think, have left everything on the table. Now there's no more playing nice. This is not a time for mercy. We're supposed to do justice and mercy in Micah, right? That's. That's what we're supposed to do. And we don't leave one out or the other. Donald Trump did mercy, and in 2000, January 2017, tried that one. These people don't respond to that. And so now it's time to do justice. And that means prosecutions against Barack Obama and anyone else whose fingerprints are on this conspiracy, this treasonous conspiracy. That's the language of the Director of National, Intelligence, a Democrat her entire life. And she has looked at this stuff and said, this is beyond the pale. This is so over the top. It has to be exposed, it has to be released. And she's referring the former President of the United States to the DOJ for investigation and prosecution. So I have actually, my opinion in the last 48 hours about what's gonna come of this has actually changed. I really thought, okay, they're gonna expose it, but there won't actually be prosecutions because it's gonna be hard to nail down exactly what crime committed. And. But I don't think so. I think I was wrong. I think they have coordinated, they have planned. This is being executed well by the administration. It's being done by the rule of law. It's following the Constitution, and it's making sure that we, in fact, uphold the rule of law. And you're gonna hear, like a stuck pig, a lot of squealing from the left, and they're gonna rant and rave just like they always do. And thankfully, we have a president of the United States that does not care, doesn't care about their whining, is immune to their insults and claims of him being a king and not tyrant and all that. He's immune to it. It's just rolling off his back. He doesn't even hear it. He's basically, you know, I mean, literally immune to those things. And, and that's their fault. They're the ones that toughened him up and made Donald Trump 2.0 so much tougher, so much more resilient and so much more focused than Donald Trump 1.0 was in 2017. So it's time for justice, no doubt. All right, we're gonna take a quick break. When we come back, got a great interview for you today. Some great victories happening in state legislatures across the country. I want to share some of that from Ohio with you. You're listening at the Corps with Waka Walla, Mary Green.
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Rick Green: At the Core focuses on justice and restoring the country
>> Rick Green: Welcome back to at the Core. Thanks for staying with us here. I'm Rick Green, American's Constitution coach, at the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green. Walker with you on Monday, Wednesday, Friday. I'm with you on Tuesday and Thursday. If you're a new listener, that's why it's a little bit confusing. Throughout the week, we kind of ping pong back and forth and you get a little bit taste every other day. But always talking about those issues at the core of our founding principles and restoring the country. First segment, talking a lot about justice and what needs to be done. No doubt about it. Also, an area of justice is stopping the child mutilization and stopping this insane transgender agenda that's been used to confuse children, to mutilate them, to do terrible, terrible things. And so we've been working on this all over the country, in state legislatures across the country. And one of the guys that attends our legislators conference, we have this thing called the Pro Family Legislators Conference. We do every year that David, Barton and I started back, I think 2005 was the first year we did it. I'd come out of the legislature and just didn't feel like there was a good, the conferences that were out there just weren't biblically focused. And I kept running into these legislators that said I ran for office because I read David Barton's book or I watched David Barton do this. And I said, david, man, let's do our own. Let's do a Wall Builders Pro Family Legislators Conference. And I think there's a lot of people that would come and, man, we started, I think we had 50, 60, maybe 80 legislators that first year, and then 100 and 150 and, we've just been really, really blessed. Davis hired an incredible team that took this thing over and just ran with it, and over the last 15 years built it up into an amazing, amazing program. And so these legislators come in and they exchange ideas, they talk about things they can do, and we have that. They come in and talk and train. And, out of that conference, there's constantly new legislation. We usually do the conference in November, and then in January, state legislative sessions all over the country. we'll have, folks that have been to our conference that take those ideas and run with them. And sometimes it takes a couple of sessions to get those things done, sometimes four or five sessions. I mean, that's just how the process works. But some really good victories in Ohio is what we're going to highlight here. Gary Klick is a state rep up there in Ohio that's been coming to our conference for a while and has just, done an amazing job and stood firm and been one of those guys that's been able to win people over little by little, over time to be able to win these issues. And he's had to fight his governor up there. It's been a mess. But some great victories and looking forward to getting an update from him on those things. Representative Gary Klick, thanks for joining us today, man.
>> Rick Green: I said, joy, thank you for inviting me, Rick.
The Ohio Supreme Court has taken up one of your real bills
>> Rick Green: Well, man, you guys, I think, people don't realize how difficult it is to just get common sense passed in legislation these days. The kind of things you've had to probably say on the floor or in a committee room and scratch your head and go, I can't believe I'm having to say this out loud. this should be. This should be common sense. But thank you, man. Thanks for standing up, because I know when you stand up for truth, especially on this sexual orientation junk, you, get attacked a lot. And so appreciate you, man. Thanks for being willing to fight this battle.
>> Rick Green: Well, you're welcome. It's an honor to do right. It's an honor to serve. Serve my constituents here in Ohio. But more importantly, it's an honor to serve the Lord and to do it with, warriors like yourself and the Bartons.
>> Rick Green: But, hey, right back at you. Right back at you. what. Catch us up on your session this year. You guys have already been out for a couple of months, I think. What, were the major battles in this area, and then I think you just had, ah, you were mentioning before we went live, a, Is it the Ohio Supreme Court that has taken up one of your real bills?
>> Rick Green: Yeah, the. The SAFE Act. The Ohio Supreme Court. We, you know, we. We passed the SAFE Act. It was vetoed. We overrode the veto. And then, of course, the aclu, which I call the Anti Civil Liberties Union of Ohio, they challenged it, as we knew they would. We had a surprising win in the Franklin county courts. then, the 10th Court of Appeals, took it up and they put a stay on it, and they found that it was denying health care based on a 2011 provision where we put some things in our constitution to stand against Obamacare. So now they say we're denying health care. And so the Supreme Court, overturned their stay, and now they just took up the case, the whole case. and they'll be hearing, all this on the Supreme Court. And we just actually got a. We have a 6 to 7 majority on the Ohio Supreme Court. All good folks, and I think we will prevail there, and that'll settle it back up.
>> Rick Green: And tell us, just describe the SAFE Act. A couple of major bullet points there. And then you said it was vetoed. The governor, the whiner. I'm sorry. I called him that all throughout Covid, because he was as bad as Abbott, did. The whiner.
>> Rick Green: Why?
>> Rick Green: What was his excuse? I mean, he's a Republican. He's supposed to be. You know, these guys act like they're, you know, standing for truth and on the right side. And then. And then he vetoed it. What did he, you know, what was his excuse, actually, describe the bill to us first.
>> Rick Green: So, so first of all is saving adolescent from experimentation. You know, Robin Lundstrom is the tip, of the spear on this down in Arkansas. Alabama had taken it up. I think we were the third, state to take it up, but we were like the 23rd state to pass it. but it just says, you know, no, no hormonal or surgical treatments for sex changes for kids, for minors. that doesn't seem like it's that hard. I had had some hints from the administration that DeWine was interested in this, but every time I reached out, the only thing I could get from them was, well, the governor cares about protecting kids. That was the only feedback I could ever get, you know, like, hey, tell me if there's something that needs to be changed.
>> Rick Green: Let me, let me process that for a second representative. That's, let me, I'm just processing that. So the governor, cares about protecting kids, but it's going to veto a bill that's protecting kids. I'm just, I just want to make sure I'm following.
>> Rick Green: Yeah, yeah, you got it.
>> Rick Green: So, so we made it through the, you know, I had it introduced in one general assembly. It was HB454. And we got to the point where we were not going to be able to get it done. And the hospitals kept saying there is no, there are no permanent results, there's no permanent damage. Everything just is reversible. This just a pause and all the lies that they tell. And so I, you know, worked with some colleagues and we made some amendments to 454 and we said, okay, okay, you can give all this, these hormones and these puberty blockers as long as there are no long term side effects. And the first people to come in and testify against it were the children's hospitals. They said under these conditions we couldn't do this for any child. And I went, ah, that's the point I've been trying to make. We came back and introduced a stronger version of it in the next general assembly, which is hospital 68. And then there was some sabotage efforts to, even without my notice, they were trying to, to introduce a substitute bill that would have allowed, you know, gone back to 454 where we said you could do it after two years and so forth. And I said no. I said the hormones. And they said, we just will stop the surgeries. And that's all. I said, no, the hormones and the puberty blockers are the core part of this bill. They said no. It's the surgery. I said, try me. And they said, okay. And they gave up on it. And we, we put that part through. we, we passed it with a super majority. there were a couple Republicans that were noes or that abstained from voting. And then it went to the Senate. They asked for a couple compromises. Maybe I didn't like them, but they didn't fill the bill. And, then just as the Senate was about to vote on it on the House floor, I get a call from the governor's team, to meet with them and the children's hospitals. And they wanted to say, let us do this in extreme circumstances. Well, I had done a lot of research.
The governor initially vetoed the bill, but then he went on a listening tour
I know Chloe Cole, Barca Mosley, so many others I've talked to. We know. And I've talked to parents who've been through this. Every circumstance is an emergency. Do you want a living son or a dead daughter? That's the common line that they use. And so I said no. And they said, okay, the governor's gonna veto your bill. So they told me that there and then. Then he went on a listening tour. He listened to a couple people that I sent his way, like Chloe. but ultimately he traveled all the hospitals and listened to their circuits. And he got basically said, you know, I've heard these kids have said they'd be. Wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for this, and they would have committed suicide. So in order to protect these children, I'm going to veto the bill.
>> Rick Green: And this is, you know, I mean, they initially said, okay, look, we'll stop mutilating children, but we're still gonna completely change their neurology and their hormones. And not to mention, I'm sure you've looked into some of these mass murder events that have been these kids that are on these very drugs that we're talking about here. It's a little bit like, some of the other psychotropic drugs, of the last 20 or 30 years. But, I'm curious what the. With your colleagues in the legislature, are they. I mean, are they willing to dive deep on these issues? Do they just kind of roll their eyes at you when you bring this and you fight for this, or are they be to recognize how terrible this stuff is? I mean, Chloe's a fantastic spokesman for this, because you finally hear from some of these folks that went through this. has it been hard to find colleagues that will stand with you and actually hear these stories and then get passionate about it?
>> Rick Green: Well, there were certainly more qualified people I was a freshman when I took this on. There were people with more legislative experience who kind of agreed, but they didn't want to dive into the fire. and then there were others who were like, is this really happening? This can't be real. And I'm a pastor. So they're like, this is this right wing Christian guy coming in, making up stuff. And they weren't sure and they didn't want to fall on the swords. And so we had a decent amount of support, but not, enough support to begin with. But when I reintroduced it, we doubled the amount of co sponsors that we had. And we brought people over the course of time through education and information and testimonies. We brought the receipts, we found some videos that the hospitals have produced that were just very condemning of the hospitals. And so then, by that time we had enough to get it done. And then, the last day the governor could veto the bill happened to be my birthday. It was December 29th. And just remember that date.
>> Rick Green: Note to self, hang on.
>> Rick Green: the phone rang early in the morning, about 7 o'. Clock, and that was. The governor said, hey, I'm sorry to call so early in the morning. He's, he says, happy birthday. I'm going to veto your bill. And for the record, worst birthday present ever.
>> Rick Green: Yeah.
>> Rick Green: But he had the press conference later that day. I'm at my mom's, it's over Christmas, I'm visiting with my mom, I'm at her house, and I'm trying to watch the press conference on my little iPhone. and it kept blowing up. I had a hard time watching it all because my colleagues were texting me. When the first word came out of his mouth that he was going to veto this bill, all my colleagues are texting me. It's like, I'm ready to go back right now. Now let's override this veto. And we actually overrode the veto with one more vote than the original bill actually passed with.
>> Rick Green: Man, that's impressive. I mean, that is, that's, sometimes it's, you know, count it all joys when you experience various trials.
Is it really just a money issue for them? I mean,
Right. Because it probably forced some people to get off the fence and, and and weigh in. I'm curious. You mentioned his listening to her and the hospitals having such a, an influence on him, that we dealt with that in some other states as well. Is it as you dealt with it and you fought this? I mean, is it really just a money issue for them? I mean, I know they make tons of money on these surgeries. And on these drugs. And they seem to have just like, glossed over in terms of what they're really doing to these children. Is it just being blinded by money? What's your take on it after being in the middle of this fight?
>> Rick Green: I think it's a combination. Money is, certainly a factor, but I think it's also just that, woke philosophy, you know, one of the children's hospitals, the Cincinnati Children's Hospitals, their gender clinic was actually funded by the people who started this, sex toy company called Pure Romance. And they, they sell sex toys like Tupperware parties.
>> Rick Green: Wow.
>> Rick Green: And it's just. And their philosophy and their. They have a trans child and so they just drank the Kool Aid and they believed in it, so they put their money in it. And so it's a combination of money and wokeism. But certainly people who are not using common sense, of course they're not looking at the Judeo Christian values or the word of God. But even science itself tells you, nature itself tells you this is not normal, this is not right. we had the cast report. We could look at all the Dutch protocols and how wrong they went. I did a deep dive into the science and the history of this before I even introduced the bill. And the facts are all on our side. but they just didn't want to believe them and they didn't want to trust that a preacher had the facts.
>> Rick Green: That's right.
It seems like marriage issue brought some people off the fence into our camp
Last question for you. It feels like we're turning the corner on this. And again, counting it all joy when we have these kind of trials, because on the other end of this, it seems to me, and you tell me if this is happening up there in Ohio, but it seems like, like this brought a lot of people off the fence into our camp. You know, I think of the Joe Rogans and the Elon Musk and the people that they're not necessarily with us on the faith issue. Maybe God's bringing them that direction. But this was so crazy, it was so over the top that they started going, you know, this whole libertarian thing of I don't want government involved at all, or even this kind of left wing thing, look where it's got us. We don't know what a woman is. We're mutilating children. I mean, it seems like it's been an issue that has caused a lot of people to come off the fence and get on the right side of these issues. Is that. Are, you. Are you seeing some of that as you fought this battle?
>> Rick Green: Yeah, definitely seeing that. of course that. I think that was one of the key things in, Bernie Marino defeating Sherrod Brown in the Senate. And, I think it was very helpful to, Trump and our own J.D. vance as well. You know, the commercials up here were the, were the, you know, we're for you there for they, them, you know, and people understood it and that. And even, I'll be honest with you, many of the Democrats get it. We were. I talk to Democrats all the time. You know, during my campaign, I spoke at the naacp and I have some of these black pastors come up to me at the naacp and they're saying, all I got to say is, what does the Bible say about this? and then some of my Democrat colleagues actually were told me, they said, hey, I just want you to know I'm with you on this. And I would say, also, you're going to vote with us. And he said, oh, no, I got to vote with my caucus. He said, really? He said, both your conscience and your constituents, not your caucus.
>> Rick Green: Yeah.
>> Rick Green: And, ah, he says, well, you don't need me. And then the elevator door would close and they're on the elevator with Republicans and they turn around and say, thank you. Thank you. They couldn't push the green button, but they were with us. And I just wish they had the courage of their convictions.
>> Rick Green: Yeah, no kidding.
>> Rick Green: And one of my black colleagues is, Christian Democrat, but he's like, you know, he says, I can't take all this stuff into these black churches. They don't eat this up. And they're losing their own people, they're losing their own base because they're so whacked out. Woke.
>> Rick Green: No, I was going to say, I mean, I remember, okay, I'm showing my age here. But when we fought the marriage battle in California, what was that? 0406? I don't remember. Anyway, may have been longer than that. It was the black churches that stood up more than anybody else. They were stronger on the marriage issue than the white church by far, and any of the rest of the evangelical church, for sure. They, were more solid on that. So I'm surprised to even hear that. It seems like that they would be more willing to get on board. I wonder if those black members are hearing from their black churches. what are you thinking? What is going. Just like those guys coming up to you at the NAACP going, what's important is what the Bible says about the, about this.
>> Rick Green: Oh, absolutely. One of my, black colleagues on the other side, he says, hey, I saw you want that? That was probably hard for you. I said that wasn't hard at all. Said they're all voting for me.
>> Rick Green: Yeah, I love it. I love it.
>> Rick Green: The. The. There's a Baldwin Wallace poll that came out right when I started this, and they showed that actually 46% of Democrats agreed with us on this idea of whether we should be, you know, medicalizing these kids with gender dysphoria. By the time we finished the bill, it was 50, 54%. So I went from just under half to just over half through education and exposure to these ideas and through, you know, just, you know, the. The people like Chloe who are champions. You know, Chloe, the first time she ever testified was on my bill.
>> Rick Green: Oh, really?
>> Rick Green: Absolutely. And hold that thought.
>> Rick Green: We got 10 crew. Greg, we'll be right back. You're listening to at the Corps with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green.
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Republican Representative Gary Click stands up for truth on sex reassignment surgery
>> Rick Green: Welcome back to Court with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green America's Constitution coach. Let's jump right back in with Representative Gary Click from Ohio.
>> Rick Green: And she was right out. She was 17 years old at the time. She had just come out of this. you know, she had her double mastectomy at 15. She's testifying at 17. And then there are, a lot of unexpected allies in this. Many people in the LGBTQ community actually agreed with this.
>> Rick Green: Yeah.
>> Rick Green: You know, there's a trans individual, Karina Cohen, a man who wrote an article said, what I wish I knew about sex reassignment surgery at the age of 19 before I did this. And they all came out as allies saying, no, they might not come at it from the Christian perspective or from the conservative perspective, but they still see that it's wrong. Like Jamie Reed. I've been able to become friends with Jamie Reed, the whistleblower from Missouri who shut it down there. it's common sense, and the more people talk about it, the more people understand. And as I wrote in an article in the Christian Post, I don't blame my colleagues for not believing it when I first started, because it is unbelievable. And they had to finally realize, no, this is actually happening. And we caught the hospitals in lies. They said, we don't give any. This isn't happening. We're not doing it. We don't give any referrals. And, one of my colleagues said, so you don't tell anybody that they can go somewhere else and get this. They said, well, if we don't offer something. We might tell them where they can go get it. But that's not a referral. And we just caught them. They were lying.
>> Rick Green: Yeah. I guess in their mind, if they're not getting money for it, somehow it's not a referral. But, Unbelievable. Gary, God bless you, man. Thank you for standing. You know, I really do. I think because people have stood up for truth on this, I think God's going to reward that and I think politically reward it, not just spiritually and all of those things. I think there's a turning happening in the country right now, and this has been a big part of it, but that would not have happened if people like you hadn't stood for firm.
>> Rick Green: Well, and I'm praying for a revival. That's what we really need in our nation.
>> Rick Green: Amen. we're in it, brother. It's happening.
>> Rick Green: And I'm grateful to you and the Bartons. I've been listening like you I listened on the cassettes many years ago.
>> Rick Green: That's right.
>> Rick Green: that's right.
>> Rick Green: Gary, God bless you, man. Keep up the great work. Look forward to seeing you soon, man.
>> Rick Green: You too. God bless you.
First Liberty is fighting to restore the Constitution and defend religious liberty
>> Rick Green: Well, next up, we got Kelly Shackelfer from First Liberty. They do amazing work over First Liberty. If you're not familiar with them, go check out first liberty.org just incredible, the Supreme Court victories. There's all these different areas that, they are fighting to restore the rule of law in America and restore the Constitution and defend religious liberty. Kelly Shackelford, thanks for coming on, man.
>> Kelly Shackelford: Absolutely. And I don't know if you know the newest news, but the Supreme Court just granted one of our cases, so we got another one. We'll be arguing this, next term, and it's the first one on the right to share the gospel in a public park in maybe 40 years. So it's going to be great.
>> Rick Green: So you argue that sometime in the fall, I guess, and next summer we'd see a decision on it.
>> Kelly Shackelford: We're not sure the date yet. They hadn't said it, but we think. I think it probably will be maybe around the end of the year, maybe around December, maybe even January. but it's a case that's even hard to believe. So it's a guy that all he wanted to do is share his faith, and they, didn't like him doing that. So they actually passed a law to say you can only speak in this little area of the park, and, you can't go.
>> Rick Green: When did you guys start practicing law in the Soviet Union. I didn't realize y' all were doing cases in Russia, Kelly. That's interesting, man. What part of Russia was this in?
>> Kelly Shackelford: It was in Mississippi. Does that surprise you?
>> Rick Green: You're talking the Bible Belt here.
>> Kelly Shackelford: I'm telling you. I'm telling you. And then it got crazier because what they said is, they said, look, you can't bring your lawsuit until you're done with your criminal to challenge the constitutionality. So he said, all right, I'll just pay my $300 fine. I'll say, nola contenderi. And now I can challenge it. And they said, well, there's a Supreme Court case that says that once you're convicted of a crime and you're in jail, you're not allowed to challenge the constitutionality of the statute. And he's like, now wait a second. I couldn't sue before, I couldn't sue after. So we go all the way up to the Federal Court of Appeals, the fifth Circuit, en banc. Seventeen judges sitting at once, nine to eight, they say, yep, nope, he never has the right to bring his lawsuit, and all of his First Amendment rights are washed away.
>> Rick Green: Fifth Circuit said that it did.
>> Kelly Shackelford: And so we're. Hey, we're about to reverse them, because the Supreme Court took this case and. And it'll be a great opportunity for, really two things. Number one is obviously free speech, free exercise of religion, but the other thing is the right of every citizen to get their day in court to protect their constitutional rights.
>> Rick Green: Amen. Due process. Huge. We've obviously under attacked big time in the last few years. Remind everybody how rare this is for cert to be granted. I mean, this is, You guys are. What will this be like, your sixth case before the Supreme Court? Seventh. How many?
>> Kelly Shackelford: Yeah, we've actually got. We've had nine wins in the last six years, and.
>> Rick Green: Wow.
>> Kelly Shackelford: And our record is nine and zero. That's only the Lord.
>> Rick Green: Amazing.
>> Kelly Shackelford: Only the Lord.
>> Rick Green: well, the Lord placed you there, brother, for such a time as this. I mean, even all those years ago, you essentially started this from scratch with a little list from Richard Ford. And I mean, all these years, you guys have been in the trenches fighting these battles sometimes you had cases that went 9, 10, 11 years, from Coach Kennedy to the crosses. And so thank you for having the persistence to do this and the vision to realize you don't win these things overnight. Right now, it feels like you're an overnight success, but it's a 30 year overnight success, right?
>> Kelly Shackelford: Amen. And, hey, I tell you, the thing is we just get to stand next to heroes, people all over the country who are standing for their faith. They're not backing down. Coach Kennedy went through seven and a half years. I mean, think of Erin and Melissa Klein. That case is still going 13 years.
>> Rick Green: That's the cake. the cake case, right?
>> Kelly Shackelford: Yeah. Where they were told that she was, fined for not doing a gay wedding cake. And, we've been up to Supreme Court twice and back down. We've had victories both times. But the Oregon still will not stop. And, they've even left the state. They're now in Montana, and people, went there to persecute them there as they opened up their new place. So I say that because it's all about tolerance, man.
>> Rick Green: It's all about. No, I'm sorry, man. You were about to say so.
>> Kelly Shackelford: No, it's just these people we stand next to are great Americans. And I know that's who you're speaking to too. with all you guys do, it's the people that are learning the Constitution, that are in their own communities and they're standing their ground. And that's how we get our country back.
>> Rick Green: You know what's cool right now is for so many years, people that they would cheer you on or cheer us on at wall builders or whatever, but they felt like, what can I do? What can I do? And now we're in this season where because of the victories that you've had at the court, now it's opened the door for them to do things at the local level. So I think it's going to be a really fun couple of years.
>> Kelly Shackelford: Amen.
>> Rick Green: to take ground back in local communities.
>> Kelly Shackelford: Communities.
>> Rick Green: But, but let's go back to the Supreme Court. You've got. So you'll have that one in the, in the fall.
A California school district required kindergartners to question gender
You just had another victory, this one on parental rights. And, and I imagine this, that a parent would decide whether or not certain information, you know, sensitive topics or, sometimes crazy topics would be taught to their child and they would have the, the right to opt out. how did this case come about and what part of the country did it come from?
>> Kelly Shackelford: Well, the, the, the. I'll just, you know, it ended up mirroring the Supreme Court case, the Mahmood case. But our case that we filed was in California. And it was. What they did is they had a program and they literally, in the training, told the teachers, do not tell the parents what you're doing.
>> Rick Green: Wow.
>> Kelly Shackelford: And then part of the program they had as a requirement, the fifth graders were required to read a book to their kindergarten buddies, asking their kindergarten buddies to question their gender.
>> Rick Green: Oh, my goodness.
>> Kelly Shackelford: and some of these kids went home to their parents and they just said, I don't feel good about this. I can't do this to my kindergarten buddy. I just don't feel like this is what I learn at church. And dad helped me.
>> Rick Green: Good for them.
>> Kelly Shackelford: So the parents went to the school and they said, what are you doing? Number one, you should be notifying us if you're going to do something like this with young children. And number two, our kids have religious objection. So we don't want to ever force anybody to violate their faith or their conscience. So we'll need a religious exemption from this, this if you're going to continue this. And their answer from the school was, you don't have a right to notice. And we're providing no exemptions.
>> Rick Green: Wow.
>> Kelly Shackelford: In other words, our children, they're not your children, they're our children.
>> Rick Green: That's their mentality.
>> Kelly Shackelford: Children of the state, you know, and we had to come in and say, these aren't children of the state. That's not the way American works. They're children of their parents. The parents are the one with the fundamental right to direct the upbringing, the education of their children. Not even the most well intentioned bureaucrat can overthrow a parent. but we were in California, right? We're in federal court with a Democrat judge, liberal judge, that judge ruled, right? They said this does violate parental rights. This does violate rights by not notifying them that you're doing this with their kids. And number two, certainly they have a religious exemption under federal law in the constitution. So you'd think, hey, awesome, right? We won. the Supreme Court case, real similar to ours, Mahmoud was the same issue. They won. You think it's over, right? They've just appealed. Yeah, they've just appealed to the federal court of appeals.
>> Rick Green: Well, first of all, just the fact that you did win at the district court level, Kelly, a lot of people, you know, they tell us we're wasting time when we go to California or Massachusetts or Oregon or whatever. And you continue to fight these battles, you know, David and, Tim keep going out there and speaking and doing. We probably got more Constitution coaches in California than we do in any other state. it just proves our friends Jack hibbs and Rob McCoy and the others are right. You, you've got to keep fighting there. You can win. so it's the, is it the school district then that's appealing?
>> Kelly Shackelford: Yes, the school District is appealing. Oh, man, they figure, hey, they're going to the ninth Circuit. They figure they got a decent shot. the problem with that is, you know, again, the Supreme Court had a case than my mood case where it was the same kind of thing. They had Jewish parents, Muslim parents, and Christian parents all saying, hey, you shouldn't be grooming our kids. Like, you know, these, these little kids. And they, they complained and they allowed them to opt out. Unlike the school that we were dealing with. They said, we will allow you to opt out. It got to be so many parents, you know, that they said, well, we can't. This is too many people to opt out out. Maybe they should have figured that maybe there was something they were doing that was wrong.
>> Rick Green: Get a clue, right? Like, like actually pay. Read the room.
>> Kelly Shackelford: Yeah.
>> Rick Green: How do you get them to read the room? So, so walk us through real quick. How so. So you guys will do the appeal tonight, Circuit, I'm assuming, then argue the Supreme Court case and you'll just say, hey, you, you guys, if you don't grant this, we're just going to head back and the Supreme Court's gonna say, that's right. Look at what we just said in the Mahmood case. I mean, I think that's what's gonna happen.
>> Kelly Shackelford: Yeah, it should be. I mean, what's gonna happen at the ninth Circuit is we're gonna be citing, know, not only older Supreme Court cases.
>> Rick Green: Which we had, but brand new one.
>> Kelly Shackelford: But now brand new one. That's just right on point because, Rick, I always thought I've been, I focused on this issue for probably 37 years, because I knew it's. It's just such a crucial issue that divides our country from others. You know, these totalitarian countries need the children to be children of the state. And so these intermediary institutions, like, like churches, and parents, they get in the way of that control. And so parental rights has been a key. And we got the Yoder case going back to the 1970s. We got the cases, even going back to the 1920s, that talks about the authority of parents. But we always knew there would be this battle eventually within the public schools. Because all the old cases were about your right to like, not be forced schools. You have a right to go to a Christian school.
>> Rick Green: You have a right.
>> Kelly Shackelford: This was different. This was in the public schools.
>> Rick Green: Once you've chosen the public school, or if you didn't have a choice to get out of the public school, if you're there, you're ours now. We get to do what we do.
>> Kelly Shackelford: And there was two sides to this thing. And I always said, look, we're going to win on the religious rights of parents to protect their own children. If there's something that violates their faith, they're going to be able to protect their children. But what's a lot harder is you can't go in and say that one parent can change the curriculum for everybody else.
The Supreme Court just issued a landmark decision that says you have to notify parents
>> Rick Green: Right?
>> Kelly Shackelford: And so I thought the idea of them, you know, getting notice or being notified when this kind of really sensitive stuff was going to happen would maybe be a tough hill to climb. But, you know, look, I mean, we won in front of a California judge, and the Supreme Court just issued a, landmark decision that says you do have to notify the parents if you're going to do this kind of thing. So that, that is a huge, huge victory for every parent in the country. Because we all know, I mean, we've done this for years, Rick, the stuff they push in through the schools and never, never tell the parents.
>> Rick Green: That's now even medical stuff, right? I mean, they'll do the pill, they'll do, all kinds of stuff without the parents even knowing, whether, it's the little kids and vaccines or it's older kids and abortion and everything else. I mean, they really do think the answer to the question, who decides for that child? Is the school state instead of the parent. so this could apply. This could end up actually affecting a lot of those other issues that aren't even just the gender politics thing. It's medical, it's philosophy.
>> Kelly Shackelford: It's all these things, especially when you got younger kids like this, when you got elementary school kids, and the idea that you're doing stuff that really is not their age level, it's not reading and writing. It's really propaganda. And you have an agenda with their kids, and you think you're going to get away with it because their parents aren't around. that's what the court was saying. No, you got to notify parents. The parents are the authority here, not you over their children.
>> Rick Green: Amen. So good. Kelly. It's an honor, man. You're a warrior. We appreciate you Another victory. We'll be praying for this new one before the Supreme Court and get you back here in a while to talk about some of the other cases. I know you got a lot going on, man. You guys are just doing amazing work. FirstLiberty.org folks, FirstLiberty.org lots of ways to help. In fact, you've got some things right now with helping, helping to vet judges, you know, this administration, obviously the best administration we've had maybe in my lifetime on these things. And you're serving on that Religious Liberty Commission. So there's a lot of ways right now to gain ground and get big victories, you know, that'll last for a generation. So website's the best place to stay. up to speed on all those things?
>> Kelly Shackelford: Absolutely. Yeah. It seems like there's a new case every couple of days too.
>> Rick Green: Right.
>> Kelly Shackelford: we just got this big pronoun case where this, this one was fired from, from manager from Bath, and Body Works because she used the wrong pronoun. She wouldn't lie about somebody's sex. So they're happening every day. And the good news is we're winning. So people need to, need to have the courage to stand. If they do, we can win, and we can create more precedent, protect more people.
>> Rick Green: Good stuff. Kelly Shackelford, First Liberty. God bless you, man. Thanks for coming on.
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