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Walker Wildmon: Religious freedom is at the core of American Family Radio

>> Walker Wildmon: We inform religious freedom is about people of faith being able to live out their faith, live out their convictions, no matter where they are. We equip sacred honor is the courage to speak truth, to live out your free speech. We also rejoice in our sufferings because we know that suffering produces perseverance, perseverance, character and character. This is at the core on American Family Radio. Welcome to the Core here on American Family Radio. I'm Walker Wildmon, your host for today's edition of the program. Rick Green and I host the show each week, Monday through Friday, and we bring you a best of or a special each weekend, as well, a couple times over the weekend. But this is our Monday edition of the program and we've got a couple guests with us for the hour over the next few segments. And, got some, current events that we'll cover, throughout the show today.

Proverbs chapter 16 says government's purpose is to promote and advance righteousness

Before we get into some of the content, let's, turn our attention to the scripture. Proverbs chapter 16 is where we are this week. Proverbs chapter 16. Looking at verse 12. Verse 12 says, it is an abomination for kings to commit wicked acts, for a throne is established on righteousness. It is an abomination for kings to commit wicked acts, for a throne is established on righteousness. Well, the one thing I want to point out here, the point I want to make, or, the point that really the passage makes here, as we kind of pick it apart, is that not only did God institute and create government, but he did so with righteousness in mind. And that often gets missed because you might can convince someone, especially a believer, that government was God's idea. And that's really one point in this overall picture. But then to then go from there to, well, government's purpose is righteousness. To the contrary, government's purpose is to punish the evildoer to keep wickedness at bay. And that connection often gets missed even within the Christian community and people who profess to believe in the Bible. Is that not only is government God's idea, but government's purpose is to promote and advance righteousness and to punish the evildoer. And so government, if I had to end on one sentence, government is a moral actor. Government is a moral actor. So this falsehood that government can be secular, government can be amoral, government can be anti God, government can be neutral, is a falsehood. It falls flat on its face. The argument does not stand. Government is inherently a moral actor. And because that's true, government can also be very evil. And we've seen example after example throughout human history of governments being evil because they reject their mandate as given by our Creator. That's Proverbs, chapter 16, verse 12.

Wildmon Group has several tours coming up in the fall and spring

Well, we've got several tours coming up in, in the fall and of course in the spring, there's only a handful of seats left for our annual Washington D.C. williamsburg trip, coming up in September. So the D.C. portion is already full. But if you've never been to Colonial Williamsburg, we're going in September, the 14th through the 17th. Those are the dates for the Williamsburg portion. You can go over to wildmangroup.com to check out those dates. September 14 through 17. We'll be in Colonial Williamsburg and then we'll be in D.C. in the days following, but that portion is already full. Then, looking at early 2026 and you may be saying 2026? What, we're still in 25? Yes, we are, but we're halfway through it. And these tours are filling up quickly. We're going to Greece and Israel, back to back, really in order. We're going to Israel, in Greece, back to back in March of next year, March of 2026, which is less than 10 months away. So if you want to join us on one or both of those trips, you can go over to wildmangroup.com to check out the dates and all the information. And I will note the Footsteps of Paul tour is a brand new trip. This is going to be our first time over to Greece as a group, covering the Footsteps of Paul. And then the week before that we'll be in Israel on our annual Israel trip that we've been doing for 30 plus years. At least my family has. I'm only 31, so I haven't been doing it 30 years, but my family's been doing it for over that. My grandfather started these tours back in the late 60s, early 70s, even before the ministry here. And so we've got a lot of experience over there. That's the only reason I mentioned that. And so it's a great trip. And obviously I'm biased, but we've got hundreds of testimonies of people who have been on the tours with us. And it's life changing. Going to the land of the Bible is. It's a spiritual experience and there's no other way to put it. And so you can go over to wildmangroup.com to check out more information on those trips coming up in early 2026.

Kevin Hassett takes issue with Congressional Budget Office deficit projections

All right, let's talk economics for a few minutes. When we have time left. This segment. President Trump and Congress passed and signed into law the one big beautiful bill, as it's literally called in the text. And this bill does a lot of things. One of the goals of the legislation is to induce economic growth through lowered taxes, lowered regulation. That's a stated objective of the White House here. And, Kevan Hassett, who's the National Council on Economic Advisors for the White House, basically the chief economics guy over at the White House who's been with Trump for a long time, going back to the first term, he's taking issue with this forecasting by the, Congressional Budget Office and others that say that we're going to have less than 3% growth over the next five to 10 years. The White House's projections here is that we have upwards of 5 to 7, even 8% GDP growth. That helps us dig our way out of this deficit problem. So let's listen to Kevan Hassett on his GDP projections. CBO says that the Senate bill increases the deficit by 3.3 trillion from 2025 to 2034. And that is $1 trillion more than the House bill. There were already concerns about the deficit in this bill. Do you disagree with those numbers?

>> Christopher Woodward: Oh, I 100% disagree with those numbers. You remember that in the House bill there were a bunch of things that were tem, that were there for the first four or five years, but then look like they raised money in the out years. But of course a big tax hike, the fifth year is going to cause a recession to reduce, growth and increase the deficit. The number that I think is the best number to think about when you're looking at that 3.3 trillion is that if we get 3% growth instead of 1.8% growth out of this bill, then that adds 4 trillion to revenue, which means that this thing is a big deficit reducer. This is the biggest, spending cut in history, the biggest tax cut in history. And with a little bit of growth, it's going to be incredibly, incredibly positive for the budget. And finally, don't forget, this isn't the only bite of the apple that we've got lots of, discretionary spending that we're planning to send up to the Senate to rescind, Russ vote. The OMB director suggests that maybe that's going to amount to about 160 billion, this year. If you get the 160 billion of rescissions, then multiply that by Ted to think about what the deficit impact is. So this is a very fiscally responsible Bill.

>> Walker Wildmon: Well, they have it. This is the problem with the, this is the problem with the Congressional Budget Office. their models are woefully inadequate and their models are honestly dumb. I don't know how to put it. Their models are not factoring in critical components of this whole plan. For example, the Congressional Budget Office office ran the deficit projections for the one big beautiful bill under the assumption that the Trump tax cuts don't get renewed. I'm sorry, that they do get renewed. And that there is. They also ran the projections, under the model that there's no growth, there's no additional growth, that the growth that we have under Biden is the growth that we'll have over the next 10 years, which is measly growth, 2 to 3%, 3% at best. And there's tons of other reasons why the Congressional Budget Office is just not helpful. Their models just aren't helpful. So I don't even know why they exist. And they're a concoction of Congress. And we've got Congress, full of 535 lawmakers. When you add in the Senate. And these guys can't run their own numbers. I mean, can you not get some interns to run your own economic numbers? Instead we have to staff the Congressional Budget Office and the Congressional Budget Office. It depends on who's in the White House and who's in the majority, depending on what kind of data they're putting out. But these numbers were completely unhelpful. And here's the reality. The reality is that the, this legislation that is now law, the one big beautiful bill, will undoubtedly spur growth. There's just no doubt about will spur growth. And you pair this with the flatlining, lowering is a best case scenario of deficits. But if you can just flatline spending and not continue to compound the deficits and basically lower the deficits, this situation is going to get much better. Now. It's not going to be rosy, it's not going to be glamorous. Nobody's going to be excited about 40 trillion in debt instead of 50. But it could have been worse. And are we on the right track? That's the question here. And so a lot of the apocalyptic Rand Paul, talk about the deficit, the deficit, the deficit was operating under a lot of the Congressional Budget Office talking points that were assuming the worst. Pretty much, they were just assuming the worst in every category over a ten year period. Another thing I want to mention is that we've been running a deficit for what, m. A couple of decades. Every Year, every year we run a deficit now it's worsened. But this, I just find it quite humorous that all of the sudden, when Trump gets in charge, the media and others are concerned about the deficit. Oh, really? You're concerned about the deficit? Okay. Where have you been for the last 20 years since Obama and before, when we started racking up hundreds of billions of dollars in deficits every year to the tune now, where we're running one to $2 trillion deficits, easy. So my point is, is, are deficits a problem or are they not? Because they can't just be a problem when Trump's in the White House. And then when, when Biden's in the White House, deficits aren't a problem. The reality is that deficits are a problem. It's unsustainable. And that's the problem that Trump is dealing with right now, is the deficits are too big. They're too big. And we really don't need deficits at all. We need surplus at a minimum. We need break even. But ideally we need surplus. But that's fairytale land. We're not going to be in surplus. I mean, we would have to have stable, sane, normal, smart leadership for a sustained period of time, probably a decade, in order to achieve a balanced budget where you only spend what you bring in. But the problem we keep running into as a country is because our leadership keeps changing and the Democrats get in charge and the Republicans get in charge, and the Democrats get in charge and the Republicans get in charge. So we keep changing leadership. Nobody can agree on anything. Furthermore, the incentive structure is just really bad. And what I mean by that is how many politicians, how many elected lawmakers in Washington are incentivized to spend less money? I'm talking, I'm not talking about incentivized from a moral perspective or incentivized from a do we want a country in 50 years perspective. I'm talking about personally, how many lawmakers are personally incentivized to spend less money, spend less taxpayer dollars? And the reality is, unfortunately, the incentive. Incentivization, that's a big word I know of, of spending money in Washington. They're heavily incentivized to spend more because of kickbacks and special interest and my state money, and I need campaign contributions from these lobbyists. And so nobody's incentivized to rein it in. That's the core fundamental problem that Washington faces, is a lack of incentive for reining in the deficit spending. We'll be back.

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>> Walker Wildmon: 1-800-788-1813. Hello, everybody. I'm Walker Wildmon, vice President here at American Family Association. Well, my brother Wesley and I were following in the footsteps of, my dad, our dad, and my grandfather, Don Wildmon, by leading tours to places of the Bible. And so this next March, we're going to be going to Greece and following the footsteps of Paul. So we're so very excited about this trip and we'll hope you'll join us. Here's a couple of the places that we're going to visit. We're going to visit Philippi, Thessalonica, Corinth, and, all the various Greek cities that you read about in the Book of Acts and, Paul's Epistles. And so you can find the dates, locations, books, pricing and much more over@wildmangroup.com you can also find out more about my dad's trip and my mom over, to Israel. They're going to be in Israel in March as well. These trips are back to back and you can do both. If you would like all the information about footsteps of Paul, Greece, Israel, all of these trips in March of 2026, just visit wildmangroup.com at the Corps. Podcasts are available at afr.net now back to at the Corps on American Family Radio.

Steve Crampton is assistant general counsel at American Family Radio

Welcome back to the Corps here on American Family Radio. Well, I do want to jump to our next guest, Steve, Crampton's in with us. He's an assistant general counsel here at afa. Been with the ministry for, on and off for a couple decades and, more than that, probably three plus Decades. And he's also served as senior counsel at Thomas More Society, which is a religious freedom law firm that's been around for a long time too. Steve, welcome to the program.

>> Steve Crampton: Great to be with you. Thanks for having me.

>> Walker Wildmon: It's 30 plus years, actually.

>> Steve Crampton: It is, yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: Probably 30. 30 to 35.

>> Steve Crampton: Yes, that's exactly right.

>> Walker Wildmon: So, been around the ministry a long time and worked with my grandfather and my dad over the years.

Face Act was used by Biden's Department of Justice to go after pro lifers

Steve, we wanted to have you on because you're very familiar with this, this space when it comes to religious freedom litigation. And one of the tools that Biden's Department of Justice used. And this was a, this was a intentional targeting. This wasn't a one off case picked up by a couple prosecutors. This was a whole project really of Biden and that is targeting pro lifers. I mean, I think they had a whole DOJ task force. Their job was to target, pro lifers or quote, unquote, you know, protect reproductive rights in quote. tell us about this Face Act. that was, that was kind of brought out of nowhere. It was on the books for a while, but. But Biden and them basically made a name out of it.

>> Steve Crampton: Yeah. As a matter of fact, Face was enacted in 1994, within a year of my start here. So we filed one of the first, lawsuits challenging its constitutionality. But as you say, it kind of has been almost, just lame on the books for most of its existence. In fact, even during the first two years of, Biden's administration, he only brought two Face cases. And immediately after the leak of the Dobbs decision and the notion that Roe against Wade was going to be overturned, suddenly they just came out of nowhere and really were almost like turning over every rock to find pro lifers that had ACT within years before.

>> Walker Wildmon: Correct.

>> Steve Crampton: In order to throw the book at him.

>> Walker Wildmon: So this would have been a Clinton thing then.

>> Steve Crampton: Yes. Right.

>> Walker Wildmon: Don't. That was, don't tell me that was Newt Gingrich. That wasn't Newt Gingrich.

>> Steve Crampton: No, this was just Democrats. Chuck Schumer in the House at the time and Teddy Kennedy ran it in the Senate.

>> Walker Wildmon: Shows how long they've been around.

>> Steve Crampton: That's a long time ago.

>> Walker Wildmon: Schumer in the 90s. Yeah. Goodness. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, that's like you look at Pelosi and others, they've been there a long time, some of them 40 plus years. It's crazy. Biden's been in politics, 70, 80% of his life. I think he started In Delaware, like local office in Delaware. It's crazy to look at how long they've been in politics. But so this FACE act was, was used by Biden's Department of Justice to go after pro lifers. And to your point they they went after instances or events that occurred even pre the Roe V. Were being overturned. They were going back a couple years at least.

Walker: FACE act is all about stop stopping peaceful sit ins outside abortion clinics

before we get into some of these cases that you've handled and represented, give us, give us kind of the layperson's perspective or overview of what this FACE act actually is like. Was it ever, is there anything good about it or was it just a weaponized, you know, law from the beginning?

>> Steve Crampton: Yeah, probably two minds about whether there's anything good about it. But in a nutshell, probably before your time really, there were thousands of Christians that were mobilized to come out in a peaceful way, basically engage in sit ins outside abortion clinic entrances in the late 80s, early 90s, the Operation Rescue, timeframe. And along with that was an increased awareness of how bad abortion really is. And there were a few, I mean just a handful of people that went violent. Right. So you had an occasional firebombing, you had bomb threats and you had one abortionist shot during the time that the FACE act was even being considered. But the reality is, Walker, what the FACE act says it prohibits is the use of force or threat of force or the big one is physical obstruction.

>> Steve Crampton: That interferes with folks trying to get into reproductive health services.

>> Walker Wildmon: Right.

>> Steve Crampton: But if you think about it, the use of force, the use of threats of force, they're already prohibited under state law. You don't need a federal act to.

>> Walker Wildmon: Be the trespassing or simple assault. Right, yeah, that's all that depending.

>> Steve Crampton: But if you're, if you're shooting people, right. You can go down for a long time under state law. What you couldn't really stop was the physical obstruction. It was sit ins. And so the federal movement here under Face, I am utterly convinced, having read the legislative history, litigated these cases for 30 plus years. It's all about stop stopping peaceful sit ins outside abortion clinics. And if you think about, you know, all the other leftist movements of late, almost all of them mostly non violent. But the fact is violence is always a part of theirs. In virtually all the face cases, certainly all the ones that we're talking about in this recent time frame, they were peaceful events. No one would ever dream of taking a BLM riot and federalizing it and throwing them in prison. For many years.

>> Walker Wildmon: Right? Yeah.

>> Steve Crampton: But for Christians that dare to stand up against abortion, they want to put them in federal prison. Face says six months is the maximum term for a first offense.

>> Walker Wildmon: But to your point about there already being statutes on the books, either state or federal, that, that give private property owners just to speak about this neutrally, a remedy for people who are protesting, whatever, whether it's abortion or whatever, even a sit in if the owner of the building wants them out, law enforcement shows up. It's a simple trespass charge.

>> Steve Crampton: Oh, that's exactly right. And that's what happened in the early days of Operation Rescue. But here's the problem. You go to jail for a few hours, maybe overnight, $50, $100 fine, you can be back on the street and back at that clinic again, sitting in front of the door. They didn't want those returns. That's what they were seeing.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. And to your point, this is not a, a case where, you know, law and order strikes both ways ideologically. This has been, this is complete, completely one sided in the application of the principle.

>> Steve Crampton: Okay. May I say Chip Roy has led the charge in the House, Mike Lee in the Senate to repeal Face.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Steve Crampton: And I know we'll get there. I want to jump ahead.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Steve Crampton: They did a deep dive. 98% of the prosecutions under pro lifers. Pro lifers, yeah. But you say it's, it's only one way. The fact is, Orrin Hatch, when he was in the Senate, thought he was doing something good. Tagged on basically almost like, an irrelevant kind of aside, but said, okay, if we're going to protect reproductive health services, let's at least also protect houses of worship. So theoretically, Face protects churches and pregnancy resource centers.

>> Walker Wildmon: How many of those charges have been brought?

>> Steve Crampton: about two.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah. So that's the problem.

>> Steve Crampton: That's the problem.

>> Walker Wildmon: And a lot of this gets into. Not only do you have a law that is arguably bad, even though you may say one or two parts of it is good or is justified, but then you have prosecutors that are selective and.

>> Steve Crampton: Exactly.

>> Walker Wildmon: And that's what happened here, is you had Biden's prosecutors pick it up and it really shows. Steve. Yes. We need a repeal face. And I know that's what we're on here to talk about, but when you've got bad, corrupt prosecutors, they're going to dig up anything and everything. It's like the officer that you may think you're doing everything right, and if the officer wants to pull you over, he will pull you over and if he's having a bad day, he'll hit. You'll find you hitting the wheel of line. And that's your. In front. That's your. That's your. You violated some kind of traffic law, and then they'll pull you over.

>> Steve Crampton: You know, you were talking earlier about, how fundamental righteousness is to government.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Steve Crampton: Psalm 89. Righteousness and justice are the foundation even of God's throne. Right.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Steve Crampton: Didn't you feel, under the Biden administration, like our very foundations were sort of teetering because they refused to enforce laws, equally.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yes.

>> Steve Crampton: And even, like you say, really looking for any excuse to take down, even peaceful attendees. You remember the Catholic deal where the FBI was.

>> Walker Wildmon: Oh, yeah. They were sending in informants, right?

>> Steve Crampton: Yes.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. So, I mean, they were sending out memos basically highlighting what Catholics believe. And you need to keep an eye out for.

>> Steve Crampton: And calling us domestic, terrorists, basically. Right. We were threats to the democracy.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

The FACE act needs to be repealed, but it needs 60 votes in Senate

>> Steve Crampton: Air quotes.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. So this Face act needs to be repealed. And it's been presented in the House, hasn't it? Has it passed the House, or am I making that up?

>> Steve Crampton: No, but what you are remembering is it passed the Judiciary Committee, which is.

>> Walker Wildmon: A very big committee.

>> Steve Crampton: So we're out of committee. Theoretically, the Speaker Johnson could bring it to the floor for a vote. He's now reassigned it to the Rules Committee. So that's where our focus is right now. We're working closely with Chip Roy and others in the, House to try to push this thing through and make it a priority. I really think if we don't act soon, it's going to be right back in, you know, the hands of the wrong guys in the administration and be used against us again. And we talk about evenhandedness. If I can throw in, you may remember after the Dobbs decision, the attacks on churches.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yes.

>> Steve Crampton: And pregnancy resource centers. Literally hundreds at one point. It was one a week. One, analyst estimated 22 times more likely to be firebombed, vandalized, if you're a pregnancy resource center or a conservative church than an abortion clinic. But what do they do? They only enforce it against the pro lifers.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. And that gets. That gets into the ideological makeup of the two sides. largely speaking Christians and pro lifers, which the vast majority of pro lifers derive their views from their faith, from their religious convictions, are largely speaking, nonviolent people and don't think that violence is acceptable under any circumstance. but, as far as protesting laws that are unjust. But the other Side, the left, all they know is violence.

>> Steve Crampton: It does seem that way, doesn't it?

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, because you talked about the riots, the looting, the Post Dobbs response. I mean, it's a very violent trend going on because they view this government as like their God and the laws, you know, as the end all, be all. And so it's really an irrational way, of going about it. And you're right, I would guarantee if you looked at the statistics, not just on the FACE act, but on all other kind of political protests, the violence, vast majority of it is on the ideological left side.

>> Steve Crampton: I believe that's right.

>> Walker Wildmon: At least that's been the case in the last five to 10 years, especially under Obama and Biden, by the way.

>> Steve Crampton: In that vein, when Biden wouldn't lift a finger to, and even investigate these acts against the churches and the pregnancy resource centers. Harmeet Dhillon, who's now over the civil Rights division, that was the one, that is the one that prosecutes. Face, has recently publicly announced they're coming after those pro abortion activists who have attacked the churches and all. One wonders whether even Democrats may suddenly come around to want to support a repeal of face.

>> Walker Wildmon: I think that's the only way you get the Democrats on board.

>> Steve Crampton: Right.

>> Walker Wildmon: Because the Democrat. As long as you're using the FACE act to target pro lifers, the Democrats are going to be 100% on board with it. Yes, they're going to be fine with it. They're going to say it's a great law, we need to keep it on the books, and here's the reason why. But if the Department of Justice will make a point out of this, to use the law, to apply the law on the books, as is today. Yes, evenly. Which means targeting pro abortion groups as well, or activists, then you might get Democrats on, board with the repeal. But you're going to need 60 votes in the Senate.

>> Steve Crampton: I know. That's the real hurdle. The Senate and the filibuster.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

Steve Crampton: The filibuster is an extra constitutional rule brought about by the Senate

So on that, Steve, since I didn't bring you on to talk about this, the filibuster, I talked about it last week. It's so frustrating because, because that's not, it's not in the Constitution. This is an extra constitutional rule, if you will, provision brought about by the Senate itself.

>> Steve Crampton: Yes.

>> Walker Wildmon: That, that was not, that's not how it's supposed to work. Supposed to be simple majority in both chambers.

>> Steve Crampton: You know, it's, that's all true. But historically, the Senate loves its traditions. Right. And its rules. So they made these rules and frankly, both sides have benefited from the filibuster. I mean.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Steve Crampton: How many years have the Republicans been out of office and. But for the filibuster.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Steve Crampton: Would have been completely run over on all kinds of rather religious things.

>> Walker Wildmon: Now let me ask you this, though, and this is getting down into pure opinion. It's not Proverbs says. But are the Constitution says. But is that worth the risk? Because some days. Some days, I say it's worth the risk. Like, let's let the Democrats do their. Whatever they want to do, even though it's probably going to harm us because they're going to come after us. but let's let the American people see how bad it could be, how they want to roll.

>> Steve Crampton: You know, I wonder if we polled the American people after the Biden administration, how many of us would say, go ahead, give them more power. You know, it was so scary what they were doing with the filibuster in place.

>> Walker Wildmon: Correct.

>> Steve Crampton: I don't know. I think some of us might blink.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Steve Crampton: And may I posit in that vein, since we're kind of down this rabbit hole, I would love to see us go back to the way the Senate was originally constructed under the Constitution. Not elected by popular vote, but elected from each state. Each state gets to pick its.

>> Walker Wildmon: In the state legislature.

>> Steve Crampton: Yes. Okay. And that removes to some degree the Senate from that whole kind of political, ebb and flow of popular opinion.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yes.

>> Steve Crampton: And frankly, the mainstream media that influences that opinion.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Steve Crampton: And gives them a standing to be true statesmen, as they say, representing the state interest. Yes.

>> Walker Wildmon: Per the elected representative.

>> Steve Crampton: I think that would cure a lot of these issues.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, term limits is a wish list items. But you've got to have, Even with the constitutional amendment, you've got to have the Congress, both chambers get involved there to, To. To ratify it. So you would. They would have to impose term limits on themselves. which.

>> Steve Crampton: Good luck with that.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. Politically speaking, we can't even get them to spend less money.

>> Steve Crampton: Right.

>> Walker Wildmon: Right. Much less put term limits on themselves, folks. We need, to. We need Congress to repeal the FACE Act. we need to get this thing over to the Senate. there's no excuse why Republicans in the House cannot get this over to the Senate and force a vote. have Senate Majority Leader John Thune force a vote on the Senate floor. There's no reason with, a Republican majority, this can't be done. And there should be zero, disunity in the Republican Party in caucus on this matter, I mean, this is a law that's been weaponized by the Biden Department of Justice and has caused insufferable damage and harm, to pro lifers.

Walker Wildman: Steve, you've represented clients who've been charged

And, Steve, we got about a minute left, but you've actually represented clients who've been charged.

>> Steve Crampton: We were way too involved in all these federal cases. And let me just give you one. Paul Vaughn from Tennessee, a dear friend of mine. Now, in fact, I've been communicating with him this morning, convicted in, Tennessee, and he wasn't even near the door, by the way, at this thing. He was convicted under the aiding and abetting and conspiracy charges that they tacked on for the first time in our nation's history. So he faced up to 11 years in prison. Thankfully, he didn't get that much. But they arrested him at gunpoint, Walker, in front of his kids, and they're still suffering from that.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, absolutely. These stories are tragic, folks. And this is why we need righteous laws on the books. And, we need to get the unrighteous ones off. And that includes face act. And then secondly, we need prosecutors who have morals, who have values that adhere to those of our founding fathers. We'll be back in a few. This is at the Core on American Family Radio with your host, Walker Wildmon.

This show you can subscribe to wherever you listen to podcasts

Welcome back. Welcome to the last segment of today's program. I'm Walker Wildmon. Glad to have you with us here on American Family Radio. This show you can subscribe to wherever you listen to podcasts. You can just type in at the core, and you can subscribe to the show in the form of a podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, whether it's Apple, Android, Roku, Spotify, all the various podcast platforms out there, we have the show uploaded each and every afternoon for your convenience. And you can click the subscribe button or the follow, icon, and then we'll have it queued up in your library each and every day for you to listen to. Well, I want to jump to our next guest. Anna Derbyshire is with us. Anna is the US Campaign director for Citizen Go, and they're a global advocacy organization that promotes pro life, pro family and religious freedom causes. Anna, welcome to the program.

>> Anna Derbyshire: Thank you, Walker. It's great to be here.

President Trump signed legislation to exclude abortion providers from Medicaid reimbursements

>> Walker Wildmon: Well, Anna, we, for the first time, through this legislation that President Trump signed over the weekend, on Friday, specifically for the first time, the pro life movement has effectively been able to, exclude abortion providers from Medicaid reimbursements. And I know that might sound too policy, you know, talk Ish and boring for our audience. But explain to us the win here. This is a big deal that's never been done before.

>> Anna Derbyshire: Well, you know, several years ago, when, we first started talking about the possibility of defunding the abortion industry, it was like a dream. You know, there's no way the federal government's ever going to stop paying with our money for abortions. They're just not going to do it. So, when this showed up after we had done campaigns, for the Senate and for the House of Representatives, because they're the purse strings, you know, when it came out in the big, beautiful bill, it was a shock. and so the win is that our money is not going to go to pay for abortions for the first time since our government started paying for abortions, which is huge. It's monumental. And so there can be all kinds of things said on the conservative side about the one big, beautiful bill, what it did, what it didn't do. But this, I think, was the most important thing now. And originally we wanted it for 10 years. The House gave it to us for 10, the Senate chopped it down to one. And sadly, this is the only piece of the bill that actually has this kind of a time constraint. but, man, to get that language into legislation is pivotal and huge. It's magnificent.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, it is.

President Trump signed a bill that defunds abortion providers through Medicaid

Explain briefly how these Medicaid reimbursements work. because I know it gets a little bit confusing, all these different programs, these different, you know, government programs. But explain briefly how. How that's been working and what's different as far as abortion providers not being able to participate anymore.

>> Anna Derbyshire: Well, you know, it's interesting because you, you have the different things that abortion, the abortion industry does. It's not just abortions. They have education, reproductive services. They have all of these different things. So in different ways, we may still be funding the abortion industry. We just won't be supporting directly, the actual abortion of a baby. and so while right now this is the best win we can get, it is chopped up into pieces. And, the US Is really just a very small sliver of what the, the scope of Planned Parenthood actually is.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Anna Derbyshire: So I don't know if that answered your question.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, no, no, that's, that's, that's part of it. And, and the, the big thing here is that, any, any entity, obviously Planned Parenthood is the biggest. But any entity that performs abortion is disqualified from even participating in the Medicaid program at all. the only way they can they can, they can participate is if they stop doing abortions or split up their entity into multiple entities, one that does abortion and one that doesn't, which is a legal nightmare to try to do that. but also let's talk about what states can do because the Supreme Court just ruled last week on whether or not states who actually are the ones facilitating Medicaid, whether or not they can disqualify abortion providers, through state statute and state policy. So talk about that low hanging fruit for a lot of these conservative states.

>> Anna Derbyshire: Well right now that's just been passed in one state and of course that was right before the one big beautiful bill was signed. And so this just gives a open door for the other states, Texas, Louisiana, some different ones that already have some things going to get this taken care of to where the states that, that Medicaid money flows through can say it's not going to fund abortions. Where after this year is over and if the federal government goes back to funding abortions, the states can, one by one by one, conservative states, the states that are pro life can say, not in our state, the money is not going there. The federal, federal funding that we get that came from our state initially anyway is not going to go to fund abortion. So yeah, it gives power back to the states when it comes to that funding for sure. And that's huge because the states eventually put enough pressure on the federal legislators to also go ahead and make it much more permanent. Right now the one year is just like, I feel like it's a moment that the states have an opportunity to really get some things done that we need to make sure and make it happen. So those local elections, all of those things are so important this year, just incredibly valuable when it comes to the pro life movement.

>> Walker Wildmon: this is a generational opportunity for ah, states to build on this victory here. you mentioned it's only 12 months. This will have to be renewed by Congress if they decide to keep it going, meaning the defunding of abortion providers through Medicaid. but yeah, to your point, states need to jump on this and when I say they need to move on this, I'm talking emergency sessions or special sessions as they're called, where the governor convenes a legislature, to enact legislation, that needs to be done very, very quickly because unfortunately some of these legislatures don't meet again until January of 2026. So we're talking five, six, seven months down the road. some of them, like Texas Only meet every other year. so this needs to be a priority for conservative, states all around the country to move on this, this opportunity, to build on this pro life victory by the President and the Congress.

Planned Parenthood receives millions of dollars from government through Medicaid

and tell us about how other ways that abortion providers get money, government money, because Medicaid is just one of multiple avenues that groups like Planned Parenthood receive millions and millions of dollars from the government.

>> Anna Derbyshire: Well, you know, you want to talk, I'd like to kind of jump maybe here to internationally because we think of Planned Parenthood as being very, US Centric, when really the International Planned Parenthood Federation is a monolith that Planned Parenthood USA is just. It's less than 1% of what IPPF, International Planned Parenthood Federation does. So the United States is this very small sliver, really, when you put it in the perspective of the funds that are going to the abortion industry, it is unthinkable what's happening internationally. The Planned Parenthood is that one little piece of the abortion industry that we see all the time. but they're doing more than just abortions. They're. They're doing gender transitions, they're giving gender medications, they're giving sex, education to young children without parental consent. They're providing contraceptives without parental consent, even in libraries in California. Now they're providing. Planned Parenthood is partnered with libraries in California to give condoms and dental dams and lubricants and education in the children's sections of the library. So Planned Parenthood is so much more than abortion. And we forget that it's not just, oh, this little abortion clinic over downtown in this certain area. It is an absolute monster, not only here in the States, but around the world. And it. And we have to find a way to stop it and defund it, not just here, but abroad. which, of course, we do that through the Helms Amendment. but at the same time, like I said with the other, even if you're not directly funding an abortion, you're funding their offices, their education, all the things that goes to run a business, our funds can still go to those things in the international community. When it comes to the IPPF M.

>> Walker Wildmon: You know, once again, we're talking to Anna Derbyshire with the Citizen, Go organization. She's a US Campaign director there. one of the talking points of Planned Parenthood is that, well, abortions is only a small portion of what we do. But I don't consider, well, number one, if that were true, Anna, then they would have no problem just Giving up abortions. If they want to get Medicaid funds, then you just stop doing abortions because after all, it's such a small portion of what they do. but as you and I know, that's just not true.

>> Anna Derbyshire: Right. Their main focus is still the population thing. It's still in specific. You know, they're very racially motivated in certain neighborhoods and certain nations. So yes, abortion is still their number one thing. but I will say internationally especially, they are working hard to legalize prostitution, giving, pornography to children. they actually have an educational piece that helps aid HIV positive children know how to go ahead and have sex with their peers, making it, you know, unexplainable. Why you would even want to do this to kids, Abortion without consent of parents. they want to eliminate all the barriers like religion and culture, even from nations that absolutely don't want them there. and, and all the funding that's coming internationally, we have to understand that coming through the United nations, through unicef, through these organizations, our money is still being funneled to the abortion industry overseas. And what happens is that if someone wants education in their third world country and the government says, we're going to broker a deal with the United nations to make sure we can build some schools, can do some things, get some curriculum, they will always tack on the international, Planned Parenthood Federation curriculum and training with a certain portion of whatever money they get for education or health. So you're talking about millions and millions and millions of dollars from international money, including ours still funding abortion and all these other things. We said it's not as simple as, oh, we need to close down this little abortion clinic in our neighborhood. and I had the opportunity to speak actually at the Human Rights Council just last week, talking about government stop using the public funds to fund the abortion industry.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Anna Derbyshire: Because it's more than it is abortion. Absolutely. It's the killing of the innocent. But they're, they're so. Their fingers are in everything. And I don't, we don't realize what they're really after. They're after an absolute cultural coercion, masked as development.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, yeah. It's very evil what they're doing. and there's no other way to explain it. Anna, Ah, thank you so much for coming on the program. Tell our folks more about your website and how they can find out about your work.

>> Anna Derbyshire: Well, we are@citizengo.org and we are an international organization, as you had already stated. And you can sign petitions, you can show up with us in Washington D.C. and at the United nations and in your state and in your city places. we are grassroots. We empower people to do something. I think so many times we're like, well, what can I do? Well, the first place we can go is to petition the government. We hand deliver all the petitions to Congress and get as close to the decision makers we can possibly get with your voices.

>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely. Hey Anna, thanks so much for coming on the program.

>> Anna Derbyshire: Thank you, thank you for having me.

>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely. Anna Derbyshire with CitizenGo. check out their website for more work or for more information on their work.

Walker Wildman: Climate change hysteria is about depopulation

one headline that I want to talk about before we wrap up the program that really dovetails well into this subject of abortion and depopulation, which is ultimately what this is about. And this is why, the climate change lunacy, is a problem, is because fundamentally it's about depopulation. Not only is the climate change and global warming a hoax, it's built on falsehoods, but the goal of it, even if you assume that the data they present is true, the goal of it is depopulation, which is immoral and it's wrong. And so, those who push this, this climate change are actually the ones pushing immorality, under the guise of caring for the planet. But listen to this headline. Out of, out of the uk, United Kingdomnomics government urges young people to have more children and then plummeting birth rates. And if I had to predict what is going to become a growing problem, and it's already a major problem, but I think the problem is going to grow, continue to grow unimpeded, is this drastic decline in population, both domestically in the US and elsewhere, there is a rapid, rapid decline in birth rates. And when you do 50 to 70 years of abortion, birth control, climate change hysteria, what do you think you're going to get? You are getting fruitlessness, you were getting the lack of fruit. And it's ultimately going to severely damage, maybe not lead to the end of, but severely damage these nations that have gone down this godless pagan path of depopulation. And depopulation takes form in many different shapes. You have this rampant use of birth control, you have abortion, and you have this fear mongering about climate change in the future. And you got record levels of anxiety amongst young people. And you've got marriage being belittled out of wedlock, birth being, you know, incentivized. The whole structure has been twisted in a way that is disincentivizing for the biblical family. And it's a major, major problem. And so the United Kingdomnomics is coming to the realization that they need more families and they need more children. And so now their government, starting with the Education Secretary, Bridget Phillipson, is now urging more young people to consider starting families amid the demographic crisis in the uk. So more people need to wake up to this rapid population decline.

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